scooterj Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 These 38 Super cases were picked up after a local match. Would you consider unsafe ammo? All of the cases found look like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NogNog Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 Even if you are able to resize these brass, your resizing die prolly shave the brass outside the bulge reducing the thickness at its base, which will make it unsafe. I won't risk my gun for these type of range nbrass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gng4life Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 If it was me, I would check if they will chamber properly after going through the resizer once. If they seem to resize fine and chamber drop fine, I would probably use them for practice loads. It all depends on how comfortable you are with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BMartens Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 Most 38 Super shooters don't leave brass on the range until they are completely done with it. Looks like these are done, unless you have a CasePro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan Taliani Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 I would personally pitch them. Not worth the risk in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lcs Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 These 38 Super cases were picked up after a local match. Would you consider unsafe ammo? All of the cases found look like this. Yes!! No way would I reload it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooterj Posted September 23, 2011 Author Share Posted September 23, 2011 Not really asking if I should reload it, I won't. If you were RO and one of these pieces landed in your shirt pocket, would you declare ammo unsafe? A couple pieces had holes burned in the side and they don't seem to have been reloaded many times. With the powder selection we have now, why would anyone use a bullet/powder combo that would do this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gng4life Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 Not really asking if I should reload it, I won't. If you were RO and one of these pieces landed in your shirt pocket, would you declare ammo unsafe? A couple pieces had holes burned in the side and they don't seem to have been reloaded many times. With the powder selection we have now, why would anyone use a bullet/powder combo that would do this? Got 'cha but this is under the reloading section so that is what most of us assumed. About unsafe ammo, No, it does not get declared just from looking at the brass (normally). It could in an extreme situation but not from these cases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom E Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 If I was the RO I'd make sure I kept the shooter between me and his gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lcs Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 Not really asking if I should reload it, I won't. If you were RO and one of these pieces landed in your shirt pocket, would you declare ammo unsafe? A couple pieces had holes burned in the side and they don't seem to have been reloaded many times. With the powder selection we have now, why would anyone use a bullet/powder combo that would do this? Nope. I've seen unsafe ammo declared when shooters have multiple squibs. I would ask the shooter what combo/OAL he was using and show him the cases. Based on his reply, offer some advice. Sooner or later he is going to get a case head separation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anachronism Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 I was shooting bowling pins earlier this year mano e mano against a shooter with a 38 Super. As he got to the third pin, the side of my face started burning and I felt like I'd taken a dose of bird shot in the left cheek. The sudden unexpected burning & stinging blew my concentration and forced me to stop shooting. I lost that match. Since it was a club match I didn't make an ass of myself by complaining, although the guys loads were unsafe in my mind since I got stung so bad and we were about 5 yards apart. I washed my face and found I had been hit by burning powder from the ejection port of the Super. After I got home that night, I found a fired Super case in my shirt pocket. That damn Super really pasted me. I think he needed to spring his gun a little heavier for that particular load. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooterj Posted September 23, 2011 Author Share Posted September 23, 2011 The primers do show evidence of flowing/smearing but very little. The more I think about it, the more I think it's more a gun issue than an ammo issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g56 Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 That brass is a KB in the making, I would call it unsafe since a KB could not only injure the shooter but bystanders as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njl Posted September 24, 2011 Share Posted September 24, 2011 Is that the new .38 supermag belted case? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe4d Posted September 24, 2011 Share Posted September 24, 2011 havent you guys heard of the new 38 H&H belted magnum ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWFAN Posted September 24, 2011 Share Posted September 24, 2011 I've seen cases like that after someone did a home "reliability" job on their ramp/chamber. I would probably let the person know about the potential for a separation if they dont already know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajg Posted September 24, 2011 Share Posted September 24, 2011 I think we're seriously missing scooterj's point. The individual shooting these loads is a liability and should be taken to task. To speculate whether it's the ammo or the gun is irrelevant. It's the re-loader's/shooter's responsibility to check his ammo for signs of pressure. To shoot a match with this unsafe ammo/gun is reckless conduct. If this person had caused harm to himself or another, a lawsuit could result, shutting down your club even if you have liability waivers and insurance. It's enough that we have do anti-gun groups and politicians that don't appreciate our sport, we don't need careless shooters that are accidents waiting to happen. And that's my two cents worth.......ajg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooterj Posted September 24, 2011 Author Share Posted September 24, 2011 I think we're seriously missing scooterj's point. The individual shooting these loads is a liability and should be taken to task. To speculate whether it's the ammo or the gun is irrelevant. It's the re-loader's/shooter's responsibility to check his ammo for signs of pressure. To shoot a match with this unsafe ammo/gun is reckless conduct. If this person had caused harm to himself or another, a lawsuit could result, shutting down your club even if you have liability waivers and insurance. It's enough that we have do anti-gun groups and politicians that don't appreciate our sport, we don't need careless shooters that are accidents waiting to happen. And that's my two cents worth.......ajg You said it much better than I ever could have. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sin-ster Posted September 25, 2011 Share Posted September 25, 2011 It freaks me out, Scooter. So you better tell me if that shooter is in my group tomorrow... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihatepickles Posted September 25, 2011 Share Posted September 25, 2011 I'm not sure what the criteria is for declaring ammo unsafe, but I wouldn't stand within 50 feet of that shooter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gng4life Posted September 25, 2011 Share Posted September 25, 2011 I'm not sure what the criteria is for declaring ammo unsafe, but I wouldn't stand within 50 feet of that shooter. There is no real "criteria" for unsafe ammo, it's what deemed unsafe by the RO. The one rule of thumb is if there are multiple squibs, then yes, that definitely is a safety hazard and has to be addressed. I'm still not convinced that this is unsafe by the pics and not being with the shooter, talking to them, verifying their ammo BEFORE it goes in the gun. Could be a gun issue, could be using a U-Die and the brass is getting shaved, could be a thousand things but I would not declare ammo unsafe only by one piece of evidence. The whole point of being an RO is to be fair, objective, and address rules in a uniform manner. Unless it is a clear cut rule violation, I would have to be there to be fair to everyone to "declare" ammo as being safe or unsafe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wide45 Posted September 25, 2011 Share Posted September 25, 2011 Can't say for sure from photographs, but I think I'm seeing what I would call unsafe ammo. That kind of bulging is not acceptable when I'm shooting, and it is not reasonable to think I would want to RO anyone else shooting those loads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jid2 Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 Maybe they were shot out of a 38 super Glock I would talk to the guy for sure, and find an option that makes for less stressed brass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooterj Posted September 26, 2011 Author Share Posted September 26, 2011 Maybe they were shot out of a 38 super Glock I would talk to the guy for sure, and find an option that makes for less stressed brass. Problem is, I'm not sure who belongs to this brass. The few folks that I have asked, don't know either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrumpyOne Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 I don't think it's a brass issue, but a gun issue. Brass won't do that in a normal pistol with the correct chamber sizing. Could be he was shooting it out of a pistol with a non supported barrel (old Colt 38 super), which can cause this, even with normal 38 super loads.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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