robot Posted July 17, 2011 Share Posted July 17, 2011 Didn't see a definitive answer to using a mag pouch magnet in OPEN division. I assume it's approved. I've seen threads that talk about using it in Production. Reason I'm asking is we had a discussion with a few ROs in a recently and some say yes, some say no. so what's the verdict? Ok to use in OPEN or not? thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Keen Posted July 17, 2011 Share Posted July 17, 2011 Absolutely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 Why would anyone say no? It's just a mag holder(pouch) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aircooled6racer Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 Hello: I use one and like it Thanks, Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wide45 Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 If it passes the 2" rule, it's good to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nik Habicht Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 If it passes the 2" rule, it's good to go. And that might be the critical point for those magnets that are attached to the outside of a traditional mag pouch..... Magnets appear to be legal in Production Division as well -- the only restrictions I can find are on distance from the belt, and a restriction on holster type.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robot Posted July 18, 2011 Author Share Posted July 18, 2011 Thanks guys! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
austex Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 Do the magazines fit "in" the magnet? 5.2.4 During the course of fire, after the start signal, unless stipulated otherwise in the stage procedure, spare ammunition, magazines and/or speed loading devices shall be carried in retention devices attached to the competitor's belt and specifically designed for that purpose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nik Habicht Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 Do the magazines fit "in" the magnet? 5.2.4 During the course of fire, after the start signal, unless stipulated otherwise in the stage procedure, spare ammunition, magazines and/or speed loading devices shall be carried in retention devices attached to the competitor's belt and specifically designed for that purpose. Certainly within it's magnetic field, right? I think you're reaching..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 Do the magazines fit "in" the magnet? 5.2.4 During the course of fire, after the start signal, unless stipulated otherwise in the stage procedure, spare ammunition, magazines and/or speed loading devices shall be carried in retention devices attached to the competitor's belt and specifically designed for that purpose. Certainly within it's magnetic field, right? I think you're reaching..... They meet the highlighted criteria as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterMor Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 (edited) Do the magazines fit "in" the magnet? 5.2.4 During the course of fire, after the start signal, unless stipulated otherwise in the stage procedure, spare ammunition, magazines and/or speed loading devices shall be carried in retention devices attached to the competitor's belt and specifically designed for that purpose. Certainly within it's magnetic field, right? I think you're reaching..... Actually, I shot a Level II match this weekend where I was NOT allowed to use my magnet on a stage because stage description said magazines had to be placed "in" pouches. Edited July 18, 2011 by PeterMor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nik Habicht Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 Do the magazines fit "in" the magnet? 5.2.4 During the course of fire, after the start signal, unless stipulated otherwise in the stage procedure, spare ammunition, magazines and/or speed loading devices shall be carried in retention devices attached to the competitor's belt and specifically designed for that purpose. Certainly within it's magnetic field, right? I think you're reaching..... Actually, I shot a Level II match this weekend where I was NOT allowed to use my magnet on a stage because stage description said magazines had to be placed "in" pouches. RM ruling? Real RM? Did the WSB specifically say "may not use magnet mag pouches?" What would they have done with a competitor running only magnet mag pouches? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterMor Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 (edited) Do the magazines fit "in" the magnet? 5.2.4 During the course of fire, after the start signal, unless stipulated otherwise in the stage procedure, spare ammunition, magazines and/or speed loading devices shall be carried in retention devices attached to the competitor's belt and specifically designed for that purpose. Certainly within it's magnetic field, right? I think you're reaching..... Actually, I shot a Level II match this weekend where I was NOT allowed to use my magnet on a stage because stage description said magazines had to be placed "in" pouches. RM ruling? Real RM? Did the WSB specifically say "may not use magnet mag pouches?" What would they have done with a competitor running only magnet mag pouches? The Stage was one where the gun was loaded on a table, all magazines to be used on the stage must start on the table, after start magazines can be placed in carriers. Many shooters grabbed mags and stuck in their pouches. At lunch I was told by someone who had to reshoot the stage because he used his magnet that it wasnt being allowed on the stage, so since I wanted to use mine on that stage also I made a point to ask the RO on the walkthrough and he said if I used it I would get a procedural. The WSB did not say anything about magnets, just that magazines had to be "in" carriers. I Didn't take it up with the RM. Edited July 18, 2011 by PeterMor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickJ Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 So a revolver shooter, using those carriers that the moon clips slide "on to", not "in to" would be disallowed? Sounds like an overzealous RO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 Sounds like an overzealous RO. Sounds much worse than that honestly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tzygä Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 In ipsc they are approved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mda Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 In ipsc they are approved. But, can you add one to your belt in the middle of the match? MDA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cardinal Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 (edited) But, can you add one to your belt in the middle of the match? MDA Add and remove between stages? No. It has to be on your belt from start to finish. rule 5.2.5.3 Edited July 19, 2011 by Cardinal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nik Habicht Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 Do the magazines fit "in" the magnet? 5.2.4 During the course of fire, after the start signal, unless stipulated otherwise in the stage procedure, spare ammunition, magazines and/or speed loading devices shall be carried in retention devices attached to the competitor's belt and specifically designed for that purpose. Certainly within it's magnetic field, right? I think you're reaching..... Actually, I shot a Level II match this weekend where I was NOT allowed to use my magnet on a stage because stage description said magazines had to be placed "in" pouches. RM ruling? Real RM? Did the WSB specifically say "may not use magnet mag pouches?" What would they have done with a competitor running only magnet mag pouches? The Stage was one where the gun was loaded on a table, all magazines to be used on the stage must start on the table, after start magazines can be placed in carriers. Many shooters grabbed mags and stuck in their pouches. At lunch I was told by someone who had to reshoot the stage because he used his magnet that it wasnt being allowed on the stage, so since I wanted to use mine on that stage also I made a point to ask the RO on the walkthrough and he said if I used it I would get a procedural. The WSB did not say anything about magnets, just that magazines had to be "in" carriers. I Didn't take it up with the RM. Reshoot for use of a magnet? Procedural for use of a magnet? Neither of those sound quite right..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
austex Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 Do the magazines fit "in" the magnet? 5.2.4 During the course of fire, after the start signal, unless stipulated otherwise in the stage procedure, spare ammunition, magazines and/or speed loading devices shall be carried in retention devices attached to the competitor's belt and specifically designed for that purpose. Certainly within it's magnetic field, right? I think you're reaching..... Let's see ... The ordinary, everyday meaning of the term "in" as used by the rule certainly fits the use of ordinary mag pouches. To get magnetic pouches within the rule's express language, though, requires a much more esoteric construction of the words used in the rule, i.e., "within it's magnetic field." But reference to the natural reading of the rule is reaching? I haven't been in the sport long enough to know the origin of the rule and its language. I suspect the rule was first implemented before anyone thought of using magnets, and ordinary language applicable to conventional mag pouches was used without any thought of any implications or nuances in meaning with respect to unconventional carriers. Magnets do offer an advantage over conventional pouches in some situations, for example, the stage referenced above that required starting with all ammo placed on the stage off the belt. Allowing the use of magnets certainly is not mandated by rule. Before contorting the language of the rule to deem magnets allowable, therefore, it seems appropriate to consider the underlying policy implications and whether magnets really should be allowed. That said, I admit to having a magnet prominently accessible on my belt. But I've always wondered if I'd get called for using it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TGibe Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 Reshoot for use of a magnet? Procedural for use of a magnet? Neither of those sound quite right..... I was in the same squad as the L10 shooter who got the reshoot. The stage RO informed the shooter that it would be OK to use the magnet, which he did. Upon completion someone questioned the wording of the "RO Notes" section of the stage description, which said ammo must be stored "in retention devices" per 5.2.4 As a result, one of the quartermasters stopped by and said that use of a magentic retention device was not going to be allowed on the stage (and had been communicated to the ROs for the stage)... So the shooter was granted a reshoot because he shot the stage incorrectly based on the info provided by the stage RO. I think the reshoot was handled fairly, as the RO should have been ready for that question, but I am not sure that the use of a magnet should have been disallowed... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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