GForceLizard Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 "Failure to tape is an FTDR" I guess they have some problems with taping at the matches they attended. I don't mind taping. But this feels hostile, not a gentle reminder that everyone should help tape. "Make sure that the score sheet and stickers are correct for the stage you are shooting. Incorrect sticker placements will result in 1 PE per stage/Sticker mistake." I'm not a fan of threats. Can they really give a procedural? The link http://gunlovingjohn.com/fwwp.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benny hill Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 Sounds like a WW2 concentration camp.Do everything we say or your shooting is dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlamoShooter Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 (edited) Those Orders are -Direct from Cornell Klink- *snaps heals* But Hogan, you must tape the targets ...even if you are the -on deck shooter. Edited March 18, 2011 by AlamoShooter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Keen Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 Air-gunning is a DQ now? And you can't eat lunch with your gun on? What kind of match is this anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirveyr Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 I like the fact that this match will support the Wounded Warrior Project, but I'm not a fan of all of the made up rules. I am assuming that this a "major match". Therefore, I wonder what the AC would have to say about all of these stipulations? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Ho Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 "THIS IS A TAPE ONLY MATCH! DO NOT USE PASTERS ON ANY TARGETS!" ???? Aren't pasters just precut squares of tape? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strick Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 My guess is that the match being in IL has something to do with not wearing the gun to lunch. I also don't have a huge problem with the taping FTDR, it is unsportsmanlike to sit on your butt all day while your squad mates reset all the stages. The PE for the score sheet seems excessive, and a DQ for airgunning does also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strick Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 "THIS IS A TAPE ONLY MATCH! DO NOT USE PASTERS ON ANY TARGETS!" ???? Aren't pasters just precut squares of tape? Some ranges don't like them since the backing doesn't always find a trash can and ends up blowing all over the place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Keen Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 I like the fact that this match will support the Wounded Warrior Project, but I'm not a fan of all of the made up rules. I am assuming that this a "major match". Therefore, I wonder what the AC would have to say about all of these stipulations? I too like that they are "supporting" the Wounded Warrior Project, but if people don't see the distinction between the two matches, they might be confused and associate one with the other. With this kind of thinking possible, it might be better for this match to NOT be associated with WWP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckS Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 Good cause but I think you would get a warmer reception at Parris Island... (And you can wear your gun to lunch in Ill, I have done it...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gringop Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 Don't you folks know? "THIS IS SPARTA!!!!!!", IL. Gringop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iainmcphersn Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 Don't you folks know? "THIS IS SPARTA!!!!!!", IL. Gringop More proof that truth is stranger than fiction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Ho Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 Don't you folks know? "THIS IS SPARTA!!!!!!", IL. Gringop You win. That is by far the best answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iainmcphersn Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 And you can't eat lunch with your gun on? Looks like lunch is served 17th Street Bar and Grill. This is likely due to Illinois law rather than a match rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Keen Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 And you can't eat lunch with your gun on? Looks like lunch is served 17th Street Bar and Grill. This is likely due to Illinois law rather than a match rule. What if you packed your lunch?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckS Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 And you can't eat lunch with your gun on? Looks like lunch is served 17th Street Bar and Grill. This is likely due to Illinois law rather than a match rule. That would do it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatsupglock Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 Sounds like IDPA headquarters should be contacted about this. The type of behaviors being talked about do not support growth for the sport and reflects poorly on a great organization/game. I am a believer that people should help past, pick up brass, and clean up after matches, but to penalize people for not doing such seems a little out there. I don't believe I would paticipate at such a club or match. Bummer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shootingchef Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 (edited) WOW, this is not a match I would attend. I wonder where the hostility comes from? Edited March 18, 2011 by shootingchef Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jane Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 If you work a score shack at a major match that relies on barcode labels, you'll have an idea of how badly one single maroon can screw up the work flow... because scores get entered and the error usually isn't detected until an error-checking process later. I first encountered the procedural-for-wrong-scoresheet-label penalty announced at the 2006 Texas state match. And at my suggestion (please hold your applause until the end), it was in the match book for IDPA Nationals for the first time in 2010 (part of page 45 is reproduced below). People whine when matches don't run efficiently. They whine when scores aren't fast and accurate. They whine that IDPA rules aren't specific enough. But they whine when anybody tries to set house rules for a match or for a sport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GmanCdp Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 I like the fact that this match will support the Wounded Warrior Project, but I'm not a fan of all of the made up rules. I am assuming that this a "major match". Therefore, I wonder what the AC would have to say about all of these stipulations? he is the AC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatsupglock Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 (edited) If you work a score shack at a major match that relies on barcode labels, you'll have an idea of how badly one single maroon can screw up the work flow... because scores get entered and the error usually isn't detected until an error-checking process later. I first encountered the procedural-for-wrong-scoresheet-label penalty announced at the 2006 Texas state match. And at my suggestion (please hold your applause until the end), it was in the match book for IDPA Nationals for the first time in 2010 (part of page 45 is reproduced below). People whine when matches don't run efficiently. They whine when scores aren't fast and accurate. They whine that IDPA rules aren't specific enough. But they whine when anybody tries to set house rules for a match or for a sport. A PE is one thing, 20 sec for a FTDR is another. I was understanding it to be a FTDR. Maybe I was wrong. Edited March 18, 2011 by whatsupglock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWFAN Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 I think its bad that there has to be rules like that in the first place. But it always happens, couple guys airgunning(even at nationals), the snotty brat who thinks they dont have to paste. Its a pain for the rest of the squad and even SOs who are pasting and working hard. Ive seen the pasting penalty posted many times, but no one thats ever had the guts to enforce/apply it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregg K Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 "THIS IS A TAPE ONLY MATCH! DO NOT USE PASTERS ON ANY TARGETS!" ???? Aren't pasters just precut squares of tape? I don't know their exact reasons but besides the trash with pasters and that they don't seem to stay on as well, I have seen something that a few competitors/cheaters have been doing as of late. They will have their buddies go put a different color or significantly different paster where they want their buddy to aim. They will put the paster where there is no previous hole. It is so sad that they will stoop to anything to try to get an edge. It's also sad that someone doesn't already know where to shoot at and have such a lack in confidence and skill to feel the need for this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bear23 Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 Gee, Have fun at that match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLJ Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 Failure to tape will be an FTDR if it is failure at stage after stage... As it was at the first Tulsa Nationals and yes it was assessed and stuck . Failure to tape is UNSPORTSMANLIKE CONDUCT. It is not going to be a problem, and the warning should only be offensive to those that have never worked a match and are not good at applying tape. But if there is no warning then.... And as to why tape only. Two reasons. Tape sticks better regardless of weather. And While litter is not a problem at any IDPA match I have attended or worked, The Wind is always blowing at this range. I don't want to have any Shooters or SO's energy spent on chasing paster offal. The reason the Firearms will be removed at the range for lunch is because the shooters that choose to go to lunch will be going into a restaurant that is located on the premises. If they do not want to go to the restaurant, then they can bring lunch. Sticker penalty is to provide stat shack with the proper tools they need to do their job right. I expect the match to run smoothly. Yes, The match is in Sparta, ILLINOIS. It is a good range and It is for a good Cause. Bring and wear your BIG BOY AND BIG GIRL PANTS be ready for fun. . Y Airgunning is not allowed . Period. JOHN ABBOTT ILLINOIS AC IDPA MATCH DIRECTOR FRIENDS OF WOUNDED WARRIOR PROJECT GATEWAY CLASSIC 4 YEARS SPARTA MD I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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