usmc1974 Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 Are any magwells legal in production class? this one does not add any length to the gun as you can see from the pictures. with a factory length mag inserted. I want to shoot it in production and for IDPA. Thanks B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Tischauser Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 This is the only magwell that I know if that is legal in Production. I'm not sure if it's legal in IDPA. I dont shoot enough IDPA to be an expert but I would guess not since they don't like you to use anything that would make you faster while simulating defensive shooting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EkuJustice Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 The Magwell in the first post is no go for production or idpa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eerw Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 (edited) Not allowed in USPSA Production sorry this this from the old rulebook •No magwell attachments or external flaring of the magwell. The lateral width of the well may not be more than 1/4” wider than the lateral width of the magazine. This is from the new rulebook 22.4 Magwell opening The longitudinal (front-to-back) dimension of the opening maybe more than 1/4” greater than the cor- responding dimension of a magazine. External flaring remains PROHIBITED. I think that would be OK for IDPA ESP division Edited January 9, 2011 by eerw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Gaines Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 Not allowed in USPSA Production sorry this this from the old rulebook •No magwell attachments or external flaring of the magwell. The lateral width of the well may not be more than 1/4” wider than the lateral width of the magazine. This is from the new rulebook 22.4 Magwell opening The longitudinal (front-to-back) dimension of the opening maybe more than 1/4” greater than the cor- responding dimension of a magazine. External flaring remains PROHIBITED. I think that would be OK for IDPA ESP division so internal opening of the magwell is ok? as long as its less than 1/4" of an inch of the size of the magazine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gohuskers Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 (edited) Not allowed in USPSA Production sorry this this from the old rulebook No magwell attachments or external flaring of the magwell. The lateral width of the well may not be more than 1/4 wider than the lateral width of the magazine. This is from the new rulebook 22.4 Magwell opening The longitudinal (front-to-back) dimension of the opening maybe more than 1/4 greater than the cor- responding dimension of a magazine. External flaring remains PROHIBITED. I think that would be OK for IDPA ESP division so internal opening of the magwell is ok? as long as its less than 1/4" of an inch of the size of the magazine THat's the way I understand it - i wonder if anyone's contacted John Amidon to get his interpretation? Edited January 9, 2011 by gohuskers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Tischauser Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 I bet they have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
usmc1974 Posted January 9, 2011 Author Share Posted January 9, 2011 Thanks for all the info. B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Stevens Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 Are any magwells legal in production class? this one does not add any length to the gun as you can see from the pictures. with a factory length mag inserted. I want to shoot it in production and for IDPA. Thanks B Production Division:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMV Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 Not allowed in USPSA Production sorry this this from the old rulebook •No magwell attachments or external flaring of the magwell. The lateral width of the well may not be more than 1/4” wider than the lateral width of the magazine. This is from the new rulebook 22.4 Magwell opening The longitudinal (front-to-back) dimension of the opening maybe more than 1/4” greater than the cor- responding dimension of a magazine. External flaring remains PROHIBITED. I think that would be OK for IDPA ESP division so internal opening of the magwell is ok? as long as its less than 1/4" of an inch of the size of the magazine THat's the way I understand it - i wonder if anyone's contacted John Amidon to get his interpretation? That's not what I read... 22.4 Magwell opening The longitudinal (front-to-back) dimension of the opening maybe more than 1/4” greater than the cor- responding dimension of a magazine. External flaring remains PROHIBITED. I read that as it is now permissible to flare the mag opening internally even if it is greater than 1/4" more than the mag dimension. No? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nik Habicht Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 That's not what I read... 22.4 Magwell opening The longitudinal (front-to-back) dimension of the opening maybe more than 1/4” greater than the cor- responding dimension of a magazine. External flaring remains PROHIBITED. I read that as it is now permissible to flare the mag opening internally even if it is greater than 1/4" more than the mag dimension. No? Read Appendix D4, item 21, and then scroll/flip all the way to the end of the appendix and read the special conditions. Can you find language that specifically permits the magwell modification you're thinking of? No -- then you might be skating on really thin ice..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waktasz Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 As long as it fits in the IDPA box it would be ESP legal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Tischauser Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 Mine isnt actually a magwell it's an internal modification to smooth trigger pull which is completely legal;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 Mine isnt actually a magwell it's an internal modification to smooth trigger pull which is completely legal;) I like that. It will give the RO's something to talk/laugh about at dinner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gohuskers Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 Frankly, what does this modification accomplish that a slug plug doesn't? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Tischauser Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 The difference is that it's INTERNAL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skydiver Posted January 11, 2011 Share Posted January 11, 2011 The difference is that it's INTERNAL Assuming that the IMSI guide rod is heavier than the stock guide rod, does the addition of your internal magwell still keep the gun within the weight limit for production as long as an stock Glock magazine is used? Is there still enough leeway in weight to use an aftermarket metal base pad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanky Posted January 11, 2011 Share Posted January 11, 2011 Doubtful. I have a tungsten rod, sevigny sights, lightened striker and grip tape and my 34 is only 1/4 oz below max Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Tischauser Posted January 11, 2011 Share Posted January 11, 2011 (edited) The difference is that it's INTERNAL Assuming that the ISMI guide rod is heavier than the stock guide rod, does the addition of your internal magwell still keep the gun within the weight limit for production as long as an stock Glock magazine is used? Is there still enough leeway in weight to use an aftermarket metal base pad? I have only shot this in one major match which was the 2009 Area 4 championship at DTR. I was running a tungsten full length T.H.E. Guide rod, ISMI spring, grip tape, and the internal magwell. I made weight but I don't recall by how much. The magwell actually doesn't add any weight. Mike at Accurate Iron simply removes some of the back wall of the magwell and smooths it into that gap to open it up more (which makes the trigger smoother;)). I would guess that it actually removes weight or at least doesn't change the original weight. I have run both tungsten guide rods and steel rods and have done reloads with this internal magwell and have doen reloads on guns without. I would pick the internal magwell over any extra oz of weight all day long. In production you do so many damn reloads it's very nice to have. I don't even notice the difference between a steel and tungsten guide rod which is why I have bought all steel for my other Glocks to save money. Edited January 11, 2011 by jtischauser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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