chrisssteeven Posted February 17, 2010 Share Posted February 17, 2010 i wanted to make this thread so other people could offer their tips. When I get any pistol, the first thing I do is either remove, or file off the rear site. You dont need it, and it's much faster. Rear sites are what cause people not to really aim in a high stress situation. Something else, is learn to shoot with both eyes open. after you remove the rear site, it's much easier, but closing one eye cuts off your peripheral vision, and the eye you keep open gets tired, and strained. Try having your left eye squinted at first, and then just get used to it more and more. I've gotten really good with shooting pistols since I started doing both of these things. and dry firing helps ALOT. Just pointing at things around your house, and pretending to shoot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boz1911 Posted February 17, 2010 Share Posted February 17, 2010 You should only post in one topic. If removing the rear sight works for you, go for it. I just don't see the rear sight slowing down the winners of all major matches and the nationals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tpcdvc Posted February 17, 2010 Share Posted February 17, 2010 I say if it works for you stick with it. However, I have seen many really talented open shooters try to only use the front sight on steel and crash and burn many times. I sure as heck would not want to take only a front sight to a match with steel out to 25 yards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve J Posted February 17, 2010 Share Posted February 17, 2010 My first reaction was to ask you if you are posting this as a joke or are you trolling for a controversy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corey Posted February 17, 2010 Share Posted February 17, 2010 if it works for yo then keep it up, but there is now ay in hell i could shoot without a rear sight. just putting the front post on the target and having it be accurate is an impossibility for me. ive played around with my guns and seeing dif sight pictures and where the gun was "really" pointing. i can have the front post perfectly on the A-zone and the gun was actually pointing off the target bc the front and rears werent lined up. to each his own... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Del Posted February 18, 2010 Share Posted February 18, 2010 If it works for you good luck with it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted February 18, 2010 Share Posted February 18, 2010 huh....thanks for stopping by. Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyin40 Posted February 18, 2010 Share Posted February 18, 2010 Some guys don't even need to look at the target Could be that someone is just Welcome to the forums. You will find guys have a pretty good sense of humor here and tons of great info can be found. Pretty much endless reading Flyin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tpcdvc Posted February 18, 2010 Share Posted February 18, 2010 I thought trolling at first too, but then I remembered the story (I think in Front Sight) of the guy who took his sights off to finish a match. If nothing else, USPSA shooters will always press the envelope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyin40 Posted February 19, 2010 Share Posted February 19, 2010 I thought trolling at first too, but then I remembered the story (I think in Front Sight) of the guy who took his sights off to finish a match. If nothing else, USPSA shooters will always press the envelope. Actually this has been talked about recently but wasn't discussed much at all which I was really suprised at. Its pretty much accepted that there is only one way to use your sights and certain types of sight focus depending on target distance. Check out this thread and Post #20 Clicky Flyin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tpcdvc Posted February 19, 2010 Share Posted February 19, 2010 I thought trolling at first too, but then I remembered the story (I think in Front Sight) of the guy who took his sights off to finish a match. If nothing else, USPSA shooters will always press the envelope. Actually this has been talked about recently but wasn't discussed much at all which I was really suprised at. Its pretty much accepted that there is only one way to use your sights and certain types of sight focus depending on target distance. Check out this thread and Post #20 Clicky Flyin Wow, that is really interesting. For a time I noticed that on close targets I was target only focusing and watching holes appear in the targets. It really freaked me out at first and I don't seem to do it much anymore, but after reading that I don't Know if that is good or bad. I wonder if that is what Matt was talking about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38supPat Posted February 19, 2010 Share Posted February 19, 2010 I've done it in a match and won. Basically I sighted down the slide like it was a shotgun rib, out to 10m (which was the farthest target...and that was a popper...which was the whole point I was making in taking the sight off) it worked fine. Probably faster on close targets than irons but slower than a dot because you want to confirm alignment down the slide before triggering. But I would rather have had a bead or something for more reference...or just plain 'ol iron sights so I could call the shots and make more precise placement when needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calishootr Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 thats all fine an well, and yes ive done the 'surrondthe gun w/ brown and pull the trigger twice' but a lot ofthing were goingfor me, the targets wernt that far away(under 10 yrds) and they were full open w no hard cover or no-shoots to reduce the size ofthe available shooting area....hadthey been further and had no-shoots and i shot them 'no sighted'??? all i can say is WHITE TAPE!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syndony Posted March 5, 2010 Share Posted March 5, 2010 I suggest the following to novice shooters. I dont even try to teach them marksmanship in the beginning aside from the prinicpals mentioned earlier, that will come in time. Relax Breathe Squeeze The rest will come, but if you never relax you won't hit anything no matter how long you practice. Breathe, if you don't breathe properly you will never relax. Squeeze. If you try to anticipate the moment the gun fires you will always flinch or pull your shot. once you've relaxed and remembered to breathe gently squeeze, don't pull or jerk the trigger. Once you get these three things right hitting anything you shoot at is much easier and fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sperman Posted March 5, 2010 Share Posted March 5, 2010 I'd like to see someone shoot the Florida Open with no rear sight. Hosing 5 yard targets is one thing. Getting hits at 30+ yards is quite a bit harder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Di Vita Posted March 5, 2010 Share Posted March 5, 2010 We could always just close our eyes and chuck a grenade into the stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericdesouza Posted March 17, 2010 Share Posted March 17, 2010 A good shot shoot s every day, or at least several times a week. If circumstances do not permit of practice with a loaded arm, he will content himself with dry-shooting. Whatever the form the practice takes it must be with complete concentration of mind and hand, for it is concentration which brings consistent skill. The technique of pistol shooting has changed considerably from what it was earlier in the XX century, yet there is far from complete agreement amongst the experts as to how the pistol should be held. It is generally conceded that the grip should be firm, for a tight hold on the butt is necessary to prevent pressure on the trigger from deflecting the aim. This is particularly true of double-action shooting with a revolver. The trigger must be pressed just as steadily as in rifle shooting — in fact, with even greater care, if this is possible. The pressure should be straight back, not to one side or another. The pistol should be gripped as high as possible, that part of the hand between the first finger and thumb being well to the top of the grip. (Some revolvers have a nasty habit of pinching the skin between the finger and thumb when the hammer comes back, if the hand is held too high). Some experts in double-action shooting recommend that the revolver be turned a little to the right in the hand: others say that all pistols should be held straight. Probably it is best to learn by experience which particular hold suits your style. The size and strength of your hand will determine to some extent what hold to adopt with any particular pistol. Remember all pistols do not behave alike and must be held according to their peculiarities. While much is said of shooting from the hip and of snap shots taken without using the sights, consistent accuracy can only be achieved by properly aligning the sights. Even in very rapid shooting the sights must be aligned on the target. The expert does this in a minimum of time, getting the shot away by an even pressure of the trigger at just the right moment, without any suggestion of yanking at the trigger as he comes on aim. In deliberate target shooting, the pistol is brought up a little above the target and brought down again, the sights aligned and steadied while the shot is fired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolex Posted March 17, 2010 Share Posted March 17, 2010 See you! Keep the rear sight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirveyr Posted March 21, 2010 Share Posted March 21, 2010 When I get any pistol, the first thing I do is either remove, or file off the rear site. You don't need it, and it's much faster. Rear sites are what cause people not to really aim in a high stress situation. Couldn't the same principle be accomplished by just widening the rear notch? It would serve the same purpose and allow one to still utilize the sights at distances greater than bad breath range. I think that total removal of the sight is a bit extreme, but if it works for you, that's great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scap99 Posted March 21, 2010 Share Posted March 21, 2010 i wanted to make this thread so other people could offer their tips. When I get any pistol, the first thing I do is either remove, or file off the rear site. You dont need it, and it's much faster. Rear sites are what cause people not to really aim in a high stress situation. Something else, is learn to shoot with both eyes open. after you remove the rear site, it's much easier, but closing one eye cuts off your peripheral vision, and the eye you keep open gets tired, and strained. Try having your left eye squinted at first, and then just get used to it more and more. I've gotten really good with shooting pistols since I started doing both of these things. and dry firing helps ALOT. Just pointing at things around your house, and pretending to shoot. I've heard of filing off the front sight, but only on .25's and .32's...because when you shoot some big guy with it, he's gonna be mad. Then he's gonna grab that pistol from you and shove it in your bulls eye. Now while that won't feel good, you don't want that front sight cutting you to pieces when it's removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyZip Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 While there are some who have mastered this technique, that is shooting without sights, it isn't a panacea by any means for what ails those of us who shoot with irons, or a dot. If it were, there would be few if any optics or sights on any guns seen in competitions around the world. I am often intrigued at those that come around and offer the next great thing in any forum or situation be it guns, or running, or whatever. Sometimes these things seem so crazy and yet they make good sense after many try them and see the value to their claims. As time passes, word gets around, and next thing you know it, it becomes the standard. Other times, it is embraced by a few, but fails to get real recognition not because of some conspiracy, or desire by the herd to maintain the status quo, but rather because it is inferior to any existing or emerging technologies in the area in question. IF no sights were better, than sighting systems would be much different than they are today. We went from the irons to the optics because that is what the evolution of racing with pistolas turned out. If you can hit those poppers out at 40 yds in a timely fashion and still remain competitive, more power to you. If so, then you need to get your story out there, and sell that technique to the shooting world. I think there are many who would love to learn how less in this situation is really more. But, if you can get a chance to shoot an open gun on a feild course, I can assure you your eyes will be opened up! The first time I tried it, I was astonished at the ease with which I was able to acquire targets, and engage them without changing my type of focus. Now that IS faster. If it were not, then you would not find the open shooters typically at the top of the pack score wise at shoots across the country and the world. Right now, I woll stick to my irons. I will adjust my sight focus according to the demands each target tasks on that focus, and train to determine that as quckly and seamlessly as possible. As Gump would say, "That is all I have to say about that." JZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabot Posted April 4, 2010 Share Posted April 4, 2010 I need both front and rear, but I can tell you that when I get this weird zen feeling just before the shot breaks, I KNOW beyond a shadow of a doubt where the shot is going to go. If I don't get that zen feeling it's maybe 50/50...I don't know how else to explain it other than just a millisecond of total peace and calm as the shot breaks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Posted April 13, 2010 Share Posted April 13, 2010 We could always just close our eyes and chuck a grenade into the stage. What division would a hand grenade fall under? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Di Vita Posted April 13, 2010 Share Posted April 13, 2010 The "hope and pray" division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airframe Mech Posted May 9, 2010 Share Posted May 9, 2010 Sights are over rated anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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