TonytheTiger

About AIDs or Rona? Not that he was right about either.

I've got high hopes for the new PA PLX 1-8x. Obviously that's conjecture since it's not out yet.

These threads are funny to look back on. That's about all I can say about that, any more would get it locked.

Yes. I'm sure I got some into the hole too, but it didn't stand a chance against the high pressures. I've removed one of them, a little heat and it came right out, red loctite isn't a near permanent sleeve retaining compound the way it is a near permanent thread locker. Same thing with barrels bedded with red, they come out easier than the ones bedded with the green sleeve retainer. All that to say that it's usually not a problem to have gas leakage at the block and if everything is functioning fine the only reason to mess with it is if your OCD forces you to.

What match are you shooting?

Sounds like you just have a gas tube that's a poor fit for the gas block. It's not uncommon, and not usually a problem unless you're borderline undergassed. If it's just a slight gas leak it'll often carbon itself closed in time, a really loose one might leak forever. And yes a suppressor will exacerbate the issue because it adds backpressure. I've bedded a few loose gas tubes with red loctite before and it did work in those instances.

Tactical is just a marketing buzzword that means nothing at this point. If I call everything the "best ever" then nothing is the best ever. Same thing with every firearms accessory company trying to incorporate the word into their name. By the time I got into 3 gun it was 100% a game with no connection to combat or anything really tactical. Maybe the names for divisions are just holdovers from the days of matches having more of a combative leaning?

Well yeah, I would only use it for the longest of 3 gun stages or for recreational long range shooting. I'll usually only switch from 55's to 77's beyond 350 yards, maybe. I shoot 55's beyond 500 yards all the time and they're not as unusable as people seem to think they are.

23.4-23.6 is a known node with 77's and 8208. It shoots great in every AR I own and I know countless other people that use it as the go to default load.

Most guys are just using whatever reasonably priced birdshot they can find, given of course that it works in their gun. So #7-9 shot, 7/8-1.125oz, 1145-1350fps. There are exceptions but some combination of the above numbers probably covers what 95% or more of 3 gunners are using.

Had the same thing happen also. It was a relatively new AIM Surplus BCG that was 99% reliable and I was checking to make sure everything was tight when the screw head just kept spinning.

Does it have Mlok slots? Snyder Precision and some others make weights that interface that way.

How centered was the carbon ring over the gas port when you took the gas block off? Loose gas key screws? Good gas ring seal against the carrier bore? No gas obstructions at all? If all that checks out you could go lighter on the buffer, spring, carrier or a combination of all of those. Or you could do none of that and enlarge your gas port instead if it's just too small to allow lower powered ammo to function.

And texas stars. And death stars. And double death stars. And double clay toasters. And double spinners. And any rifle shots over 100 yards. Or offhand. Or a combination of both. And the timer. Point is 3 gun is going to hurt everyone's feelings in every way possible. While I won't disagree with the point made that bending the rules for newbies might help attract them, as a guy that MD'd a local series in 2020 I can tell you all the things being discussed here aren't the biggest hurdles. Ammo availability and rising costs of everything make all your points moot.

Ok, so the people who are actually getting kicked in the nuts by cost increases aren't even close to being the actual target audience of electric cars. I can afford to pay more for gas. I can pay more for groceries. I can pay more to buy components for my hobby and overpay for hotels. Separately. But it's cumulative, and when you add them together the hobby is gonna be the first one to get cut.

Yeah okay. Because when a $2 per gallon increase in gas is enough to force life changes it definitely signifies that you can afford a $50k+ car...

I get what you're saying, and why it may help a brand new guy. But I still disagree with the principle of it. I shot 3 gun for years and got used to the randomness. Then I tried USPSA and was immediately impressed by the fact that I could look up the ONE set of comprehensive rules online, and then go to any match in the country from a small local to a major and know how the rules work. Half the reason new 3 gun shooters show up with no clue what's going on or what they need is because there is no single place they can research ahead of time, and anything they do read ahead of time won't apply to the constantly variable rules used by the locals they'll attend first. That said I've never seen a new shooter that didn't get offered anything they needed by other shooters.

Stuff like this is why I'm continuously surprised by 3 gun. 6 years of shooting it across several states in both majors and locals and every ruleset I've read that mentions it says ammo must be on person. The ones that don't mention it default to the rulesets that do. There is just zero continuity in 3 gun and I'm surprised it doesn't bother people more. I'm not saying your club is right or wrong, just that the regional differences are staggering. But every time I've mentioned 3 gun all gathering under the same umbrella and adopting a universal ruleset I get burned at stake.

Yup. Just watching my grocery expenses skyrocket is hurting my desire to do fun things. Add the increased cost of said fun things and I'm thinking 2022 is gonna be a slow year for match turnout.

But it's all salt to taste. Reloading manuals only tell you what THEY loaded, in THEIR test rifle, to get THOSE results. Every rifle is different, every brass case is different from one manufacturer to the next, every barrels chamber could be different, your atmospherics are different from theirs. If you know anything about BC's you know they aren't a fixed number and they change based on velocity and other variables. And BC's are well known to be inaccurate or optimistically inflated anyway. That's why manuals are guidelines, not hard and fast rules. They aren't going to test every possible combination of brass, powder, primer, or bullet, with/without crimps in every chamber variation at different elevations and weather conditions in multiple guns. They just find a nice middle of the road average that should be safe in a wide variety of situations to give you an idea of where to start and then you salt to taste.

Chicago has mag capacity restrictions? I've lived in IL all my life and wasn't aware of that. To be fair, the rest of IL doesn't claim Chicago as our own and generally wouldn't follow any of their laws even if we were aware of them. Also, all my Chicago area acquaintances seem to have any mags they want and PCC's.

Agreed. I take it a step further and adjust my seating die to load my heavy match bullets and then leave it there for 55gr blaster stuff. Seems to end up between 2.2 and 2.22" for a wide variety of 55gr FMJ's, and the varying COAL's make zero functional difference. @HappyCamper you're reading way too far into this. Loading manuals are just rough guidelines and in several years of buying thousands of 55gr FMJ's from various manufacturers I can tell you that within a brand one lot of bullets can vary in shape and measurements significantly enough from the next lot that none of the fine measurements you're taking mean anything. Sure, it changes BC, and if you're load is at max pressure and borderline unsafe a bullet profile change could put you over the top, but within reason the BC change means nothing and at reasonable pressures, which just so happens to be where gas guns are happiest, you can use all these different bullets interchangeably (again, assuming you're not jamming into the lands and running hot loads) and never put any more thought into it.

Yeah the birdshot shortage really was unforseen. I would guess production got sidelined in favor of the high volume stuff like 9mm/5.56 rather than a sudden uptick in birdshot hoarding.

I wasn't buying ammo or components at that time, are you telling me it's been this bad before and bounced back to near normal prices? Because that's what I'd like to hear.

Haha, I'll take that up as my new hobby if I can't find any cheap birdshot soon!