TonytheTiger

Yeah. Hard pass on that one.

I hadn't even comprehended the possibility of using it that way. Learn something new everyday.

How are you able to quad load using the AP and EZ8? They're certainly not designed for it.

I've only been reloading since 2017 but brass at exactly 1.750 seems to be the exception, not the rule. I've seen once fired anywhere from 1.730 to 1.765 and everywhere in between.

I've never seen anyone time out in USPSA but I've seen a lot of people run out of all 60 rounds they brought onto an 18 round stage many times. It's the same concept, you get out exactly what you put in. Look, I'm not here to argue with you, in fact I can't really argue with most of your points as they are all valid. Where we differ is our perception of where the problem lies. You say it's stages, I say it's lack of determination in the shooters mindset.

And yet shotgun jungle runs continue to be a staple feature at any major match due to popular demand. If a match round count looks like 200 rifle, 180 pistol and 29 shotgun can still call it 3 gun at that point? For every two shooter I've seen show up once and never return, I can think of at least one shooter that stopped shooting because of stages increasingly catering to new shooters. You may not have kept the one and done guys no matter what you did, but you lost a guy that was already in that you could've retained. He was a better bet as a customer.

I don't know what to tell you. When I started, 40+ rounds of shotgun in a local match stage was common. No one had box fed guns because they didn't really exist, and if you could actually quad load well you were a stud. Everyone got their asses kicked and went home and practiced till they could load 8 in under 6 seconds and go one for one on shotgun targets, because you couldn't buy your way out of this predicament with gear. No one complained, and those were the best days of 3 gun club matches. 80 spot matches would sell out in under a minute. The stages have gotten a bit tame since then, the ambition of the average competitor has tamed immensely.

So am I wrong? Or you just don't like it because it's true?

I'm there to praintice. It's a new hybrid that all the cool kids are doing, and it incorporates some gear testing.

Thank you. I can finally move on with my life.

I'm still waiting to hear what the best socks for 3 gun are.

I agree. If all you want to do is place higher at matches the "best" brake is not important. However, I consider gear testing a fun hobby adjacent to my match shooting and don't care that it's not that important. In the same way that you do other gun related things that take time away from dry fire and practice, like hunting and match directing. In the old days of this forum I remember the best gear threads outnumbered technique threads 10 to 1. But these days we get two threads a month and this one is about brakes, not practice, so here we are. If the OP starts a technique or practice thread I'll answer in that one, on topic, and to the best of my ability.

No need So none of us are allowed to buy and test new gear just because we want to and we enjoy it? You'll never see me saying that the latest greatest brake will improve anyone's match placement. I'm aware of just how little it matters in the big picture. However, to pretend some aren't better than others is false. Also, I own both the JP 2 port and 3 port. They're both less effective than the brakes discussed in this thread. You're welcome to use them, and if you made a thread about them I wouldn't storm in being angry about it.

Exactly. People don't like putting in effort and shotgun loading is the easiest thing to blame their poor results on.

This is what it all comes down to. The people that complain the most about shotgun loading are also doing way more of it than they need to.

I've seen this happen so many times on stages requiring less than 10 rounds of shotgun. The real problem it takes those guys an average of 5 rounds per target. It's not the fault of the stage that most people that can't load a shotgun also can't hit anything with it. People will time out no matter what you do, and catering to it with stage designs will chase away experienced shooters.

"Pros" are using whatever barrel their rifle sponsor puts in the gun. So a bunch of JP's mostly. Stretch still restocks every few months, but you have to follow them on socials to know about it and act fast if you want one.

467 yards with a 10x scope and a bipod. Took me a 30 round mag to make three hits on a 16" plate. If it had been a 3' target there would've been lots of hits. Pretty wild to see the dispersion from a 3-4 moa gun coupled with higher ES loads in real time.

Yes. It's roughly the same as how you create penalties when you build the match in PS.

That is a strange problem. Are you sure that the bolt release button is not being depressed or binding on anything?

I'm a big fan of things like: Stage 1 Stage 2 Stage 3 etc..

No. For tube guns there are: M2 1301 If you want a gun that definitely works, that's it. M2 (or any tube gun) is not competitive in Open, unless you only shoot locals with no heat.

Absolutely, just needs the barrel change and likely a different length of gas tube and you're in business.

Never heard of lowers wearing out. One of mine is over 30k and looks like hell but none of the functional surfaces have any problems.

I've got one. It'll swage a light crimp, but for me it's really more of an indicator of a pocket that needs manual crimp removal. I can feel the press handle stop short on a heavy crimp, pull the case off and fix, then put it back in line and continue.