rowdyb

I went to the Area 59 Steel Challenge (Outer Limits) match last weekend. Stages were set up properly and match flowed quickly and they had scores up while most people were in the parking lot. And they let me shoot two guns.

I was just saying that what we care about isn't what they care about. So I'm not surprised you saw a big fps difference.

From a friend who worked at Winchester he said they really only cared about pressure being the same lot to lot. FPS just wasn't really that big of deal to them.

Focus on actions, not outcomes.

i do it that way because my pistol table starts are in the same orientation. gives me a certain continuity as i'm not a pcc specialist i do it because i see it it. i like to practice all the variations of something, especially starts. as far as fastest outright i think for me it is a low ready/aimed at target base sort of thing. like i shoot the first plate for smoke n hope in steel challenge in 0.40 something with pcco. for consistency and speed two things have helped me. as i think of this as basically a "draw" so as with a pistol as my support hand is further away it has to travel a further distance so it needs to be moving much faster than my other hand. so i put attention into moving that hand fast as possible. secondly i know exactly where the stock should hit my check. to me this is my "grip" out of the holster equivalent. if you dont hit high on the beavertail it sucks. same with my cheek weld. it has to be where i want it, every time. third and finally the gun has to come out/away just the tiniest bit. i don't just drag the stock straight up to my shoulder. there is of course majority up but there is also a little out so i can slot it back into me where i want it. i should probably do a pcc dry fire video for my youtube channel...

yep, you're right

Again, they're just dry fire times, so all it is is getting the dot in front of my eye, cheek weld i want and firmly into shoulder. This video is live fire from 6 months ago and I've definitely gotten better since then.

None of us have given many par times for our pcc dry fire drills. So I'll start with a couple for me. Low ready and/or stock on belt (but muzzle not required perfectly horizontal) my par time beep to sight picture at a 10 yard simulated head shot is 0.50 seconds. From dot on target freestyle then switch to support side shoulder and fire controls, dot on target at 10 yard simulated open target, 2.0 seconds. (for me this is a do it perfect par time, not just fling it out there and shoot with things all sloppy/speed first and only) From dot on target, do a reload, dot on target to simulated 10 yard open target 1.70 seconds. Unloaded table start, mag on table, bolt forward to dot on simulated 10 yard open target. 1.70 seconds. (full disclosure. my pcc classifiers but for one( a 93%) are abysmal (mostly in the 50% range). i've let myself down with poor gun, ammo and equipment choices. all the dry fire in the world doesn't help me when i have/had guns that could not ever be counted on to shoot any number of rounds without an issue. I hope i finally have my mpx set up to be confidence inspiring reliable)

I'm 47. I got to 94% a couple times in Prod. So close but not quite for my first GM. If I cant make it in '19 I don't think I ever will.

3.8 sport pistol. Precision bullet 125 flat point coated. 1.100 oal. Win spp. Out of two shadow 2 I averaged a very consistent 1037 to 1050fps for 20 round strings. 1,100 feet above sea level. 65 degrees F.

F86 I just finished.

1.100" for my shadow 2's oal

yep oal is so dependent on other factors that what i tell you is almost worthless.

3.3 sport pistol

Bullet profile can do it. A magazine and follower issue can do it.

So what I'm reading is it would be totally legal to have everyone in their appropriate/equal firearm start condition, but then have the start position be "Production division shooters at mark X. Limited div shooters at mark C. PCC shooters at mark A." And have them possibly be at wildly different spots in the stage. Right?

Wow, I'd really not enjoy seeing wildly divergent start positions (different than start condition) for different divisions.

Nice

Yes. I prefer sp to win244

33nrr foamies from the drugstore and that's it for me.

Always liked this.

at 850am facing east at frostproof they all smoke too much.

there you go, real numbers from a real gauge. are you happier with it now?

as i understand US made are the optic ready, czech made are the iron sight only.

Yep. Why my dry fire list above takes 2 hours. All the possible variations that you got to do.