sbcman

Yep, that pin on the hand is what stops mine when the bolt is forward. My 625-8 is a fairly new gun and it's hand still has the pin. I haven't looked inside anything newer than my 625-8 though. One of my 625s will stop cycling half-way through with a full spring. Another will go all the way through but it has a Powers Custom hand in it that doesn't have the double pin. Checking those springs might save some guys some heartache.

On my check, there was no holding it back. But, I've got two carmonized hammer 625 and one of them will cycle with the cylinder out and one of them won't. Guess every gun is a bit different.

Page 45 of the new rulebook has a picture of the Versa and someone doing the "dowel" test. Pics says it is illegal, but offers this as to why: Ex. 8.6.1.5. Not Legal fails dowel test and 8.6.2.6. has knob extending past outer face It doesn't mark the holder off as illegal in and of itself. On my body it would pass the dowel test and the knobs can be taken off. So, unfortunately, the issue is still clear as mud. I think most common sense MDs would lead their folks to check for distance from the body and if there was protruding knobs. If either of those two are present= fail, if not= pass. But I'm a wheelgunner, so what do I know

Yep. Cd- you are in no way responsible for this whatsoever. I kind of feel that I am though because I put in a request for the ruling, thought I was doing the right thing and wanted to avoid future confusion/gun breakages. I also thought common sense would prevail in this matter. Lesson learned. Probably should have kept my keyboard shut. The thought dawned on me last night as to what might really be up with all this stuff. It's unjustified conspiracy theory, but why, after years and years of using Hogue Bigg Butt would they, by name just become illegal? If I was Josh Lentz I couldn't help but take that personal. And why, after years and years of hammer falling actions with cylinder open in IDPA and USPSA is it just now an issue? Gotta give it to some other shooting sports that are really trying to breath life into revo divisions while IDPA seems determined to tick a large portion of their revo base off.

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Ted knows his stuff and is technically correct, although a ruling was made that currently allows the locks to be taken out. They have been deemed a "storage device" instead of a safety. Here's a thread that takes you through all that business as well as hammer bobbing: http://idpaforum.yuku.com/topic/10091/Internal-Locks The locks are taken completely out of all my IDPA guns and they've passed inspection at all majors I've shot.

Unless you're close to SW Indiana, you'll have to mail it, but look up Bosshoss on this forum. He's reamed/chamfered several mail-ins and I highly recommend him. Have him chamfer it while it's in his shop. His profile is below. http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showuser=30908

Could be an ammo issue, I've had that happen quite a bit with cast bullets. Otherwise, getting the cylinder reamed will likely solve your issues. Many 625s need this treatment.

If you know of a $300 686 SSR, I'm in for that purchase. LOL! I think he meant that much over a standard 686....but if not, yeah, I'm game for a $400 SSR.

It also seems like the MIM parts interchange without as much fuss as forged.

You've got several options in k and l frames, you'll just want to pick one with adjustable sights and a full length ejector rod. The most common SSR guns I've seen are 686 and 66. Parts for forged guns don't seem to be as plentiful as they once were, so that is a consideration. Or.... If you really dig n-frames and can get enough brass, 45autorim can be shot for SSR out of your 625. Speedloaders available at Bobmacs.

ESR or SSR of course! Bumps are rare there though- LOL. Congrats!

Maybe my revosmith, Bosshoss, will chime in on this one, but I'm fairly certain I remember him saying he is having a heck of a time getting forged stuff. S&W is out of it altogether and I'm not so sure I'd bank on anyone else making it. Some forged stuff is starting to get a premium off certain websites. Me personally, I've gone all MIM for this exact reason. Except for a 686ssr that has some forged stuff left in it, I'll be sticking with MIM here on out. Plus, it just seems like the MIM stuff "trades" in and out of guns easier. Maybe not, just seems to be the case in my experience.

I have a well used 625 that does the same thing, but it's because the cylinder latch hole has "egged" out on me. That's probably not the case for yours since it's kind of new. Maybe try a reduced spring on the bolt as well as polishing the yoke tube??

Interesting this topic comes up. I shot a match with John a couple of weeks ago and an ESR shooter there had both NM carriers in front of his holster. I called him out on it (just poking fun) and he said it was cool because the book says "two carriers". I knew that wasn't right, but didn't care enough to show him otherwise. As John pointed out- one NM carrier with 2 clips in front of holster, one NM carrier with 1 clip behind the holster and you'll be good to go. Glad to see another ESR shooter has entered the fold!

And how's the gun gonna fire if the action cycles with the cylinder open? This gets close to the heart of the issue: How's it a safety issue when the gun isn't even capable of firing? The silence in response to the ruling request suggests it's not clear cut, and/or HQ is choosing to defer altogether. Tom I noticed on the IDPA webpage that someone had commented on this issue in view of the new rulebook. Maybe we'll get a response on it soon.

I can think of no one who would interpret that phrase to mean anything other than the actual hammer block safety being taken out of the gun. If your interpretation is the case, they REALLY need to redo that phrase. "I can think of no one who would interpret that phrase to mean anything other than the actual hammer block safety..." I think you're being pretty charitable. I would have said the same about the S&W IL being a "safety" but the IDPA higher ups, against all logic, originally deemed it a "safety". The bolt in conjuction with the hammer surface commonly removed during "carmonizing" does "block" the hammer from moving reward, preventing the gun from possibly being fired. The IDPA rules makers track record doesn't leave me with much confidence in how this will be decided. Unfortunately, quite true. Thankfully though, anytime I've went through safety checks at a major, they look down to see the "hammer block", so at least a few of them know what's up- LOL! I hope it stays as it is. With 300x, I don't want to mess with my guns anymore. I like them as is- carmonized and all!

I can think of no one who would interpret that phrase to mean anything other than the actual hammer block safety being taken out of the gun. If your interpretation is the case, they REALLY need to redo that phrase.

Good job!

I stand corrected- it is the club's MD or SOs job to see to it that cards are signed: 5. Put the shooter’s classification on his classification record card based on the Classification scoring breakdown. I don't know man, maybe contact with your AC could help straighten some stuff out. Sorry you having a bad experience!

Lots of 40 shooters in IDPA. 20 points down doesn't seem too bad to me, unless the match was 3 or 4 COFs. Sounds to me like you're on track. The phrase "shoot as fast as you can accurately" comes to mind. Good call on not looking for holes on target, learn to call your shots. I should practice that last advice myself from time to time. ETA: Sorry, I don't know who is shooting what at the top of the IDPA list, but locally and in some majors, I've seen a lot a 40 go downrange, usually in plastic guns.

The par sheet I've got lists a total of 2 points down for Stage 1, 6 for stage 2 and 14 for Stage 3. You can see it at this link http://midtnshooters.com/Shooter_Resources.html I'm not sure how they factored points down into those strings???

I guess it was too slow. If we could have got our reloads at 1.7, we'd have hit MA

Just trying to look at it from another angle, maybe Ray was thinking of the cards as being the only legit recognition of a shooter's class??? It is the shooter's responsibility to get his card signed. Don't know if that's the case or not, just wondering if that's what he meant? All of the majors I've shot have had MDs that made sure bumps were uploaded to the website, but evidently there are some that do not.

Thanks for this tip, Matt. I've got a 625 that was slicked up and Carmonized by Bosshoss on this forum. The trigger came in at 5.5, but I would get occassional lite strikes that would go off the second time around. I suspected the primers were seated a little high, so I gave your method a shot and it's been 100% since. I keep a closer eye on the primers before putting them in clips and if one didn't seem to sit down just right, it goes in the practice pile. I've had one or two that might have been too deep and watch for that as well. Thanks again!