Maksim

The RO stepped in and saved your butt before you were to get DQ'ed. You were lucky. The RO's job is not to make sure you have a great match, score well, or not DQ yourself. It is a courtesy as a shooter. The RO's job is to ensure safety on the range. Running and gunning is as dangerous if not more than driving drunk. It is your responsibility to know the rules. When you play the game, you accept the rulebook. If you are a new shooter and people know about, yes you will get more attention, and maybe some leeway, such as RO stopping you before you DQ yourself, or yell "finger", however no one is owed that. It just sickens me that at some places I have shot outside of my local area, and comments from other ROs from different parts of the country that rules somehow don't apply and people should be let go for breaking the 180, walking with finger in trigger guard, etc. The very last local match, a friend of mine DQ'ed himself for putting one into the ground while changing stronghand to weakhand after reload. Stop, unload show clear, hammer down, holster. Call RM. No RO should feel bad about it. You did not make the shooter DQ themselves, nor should it ruin your day. Another friend of mine DQ'ed himself when the gun dropped during make ready trying to reholster.

3 in almost 20 years? How many matches do you work per year? How many warnings do you give out? That number awfully low.

Awesome, Smith & wesson finally making an M&P with a decocker on the side.

1st to make it work reliably without major mag issues or gun issues requiring it to be sent back every 6 months? yes. I have an m&p pro 1911 in 9mm with external extractor... 10 or 15k rounds through it, without one issue with Wilson 10 round mags. Can't say the same for my friends shooting kimbers and springfields. lol.

Example 1. the bad is on you for assumming, the bad is on your friend who did not explain... but most of all, unless you were the first shooter, what were you doing not watching every other shooter on your squad before you? Didn't your club have some sort of a new shooter orientation? this is completely unreasonable thing to happen. Ie... if you have an RO watching your gun, why would you think it is ok to go downrange and load your gun by yourself? Has nothing to do with 180, and everything to do with listening and following directions. In any case, RM should of been called. Example 2. "I think he was right to do so. " there is no think. Clearly a huge safety issue and was absolutely without a doubt a DQ. Nothing to think about. Maybe we take safety a bit seriously around our local clubs, but it irritates the shit out of me that it seems so many other clubs use USPSA safety rules as guidelines and choose when to DQ a shooter, and choose to ignore what in their minds is "minor" stuff and only enforce a DQ when the shooter lets one go. In my eyes, when that round goes off, it is wayyyyyyyy too late. Part of the reason I got into, and stayed shooting USPSA, and as heavily involved as I am now is because of the impeccable safety record. It is so safe because of the rules. Don't mess with the rules, and absolutely not the safety rules. Edit: Driving 3 hours, or a 5 hour flight does not relieve you of common sense. It does not mean you can ignore the rules. To answer your question, Maxsim, no, there was no "new shooter orientation", and there was no run-down of any of USPSA's rules. There was no RO watching my gun, and no explanation of any standard protocols. Why do you assume that a brand new (to USPSA) shooter would pick up this kind of thing on the first stage? Have you forgotten the nerves and sensory overload you exprienced at your first match? Some things that we take for granted as "basic" or "obvious" are only basic or obvious because that's what we've been taught, and what we have seen reinforced over and over. And the driving 3 hours reference in my post was not meant as an excuse for "ignor[ing] the rules." In order to ignore rules, one must first be made aware of them. I was totally unaware of the rule. Maybe you should step back a minute and take a deep breath before you assume that I ignored/disregarded instructions. Still the issue is, did you not watch any other shooters in your squad as to how and what they were doing? In any case, if you are going to your first match, you better know the general rules, not just show up and wing it. My first match, I had an experienced shooter, like you did, tell me how things went and I watched everyone else. The first things out of my mouth were... 1. What are the rules? 2. What will get my DQ'ed? At our local clubs, we have all new shooters go through a brief orientation, and then we also run a newbie class once or twice a year, especially with all the new people that my forum is getting into the sport. USPSA was my first gun competition, so when I went to IDPA, I did not assume, I asked. In any case, it is up to you to know the rules. No one is going to win their first match, and the number one concern should be safety, and number two is watching other shooters. I don't believe you did either, as if you did, you would not of gotten dq'ed gotten a warning for doing something really stupid. The only excuse you can give is "It was my first match and I was the first shooter." Where were you when every other shooter went ahead of you? Did you not watch what they were doing?

Example 1. the bad is on you for assumming, the bad is on your friend who did not explain... but most of all, unless you were the first shooter, what were you doing not watching every other shooter on your squad before you? Didn't your club have some sort of a new shooter orientation? this is completely unreasonable thing to happen. Ie... if you have an RO watching your gun, why would you think it is ok to go downrange and load your gun by yourself? Has nothing to do with 180, and everything to do with listening and following directions. In any case, RM should of been called. Example 2. "I think he was right to do so. " there is no think. Clearly a huge safety issue and was absolutely without a doubt a DQ. Nothing to think about. Maybe we take safety a bit seriously around our local clubs, but it irritates the shit out of me that it seems so many other clubs use USPSA safety rules as guidelines and choose when to DQ a shooter, and choose to ignore what in their minds is "minor" stuff and only enforce a DQ when the shooter lets one go. In my eyes, when that round goes off, it is wayyyyyyyy too late. Part of the reason I got into, and stayed shooting USPSA, and as heavily involved as I am now is because of the impeccable safety record. It is so safe because of the rules. Don't mess with the rules, and absolutely not the safety rules. Edit: Driving 3 hours, or a 5 hour flight does not relieve you of common sense. It does not mean you can ignore the rules.

pick up an Invicta. They look like the Omega's but at around $100. Great watch.

Not really, the furthest local match is about an hour and a half, 75 miles. If anything, would consider shooting different type of match at local place.

corrupt database tables?

Exactly.

I use 5.0 grains of N320 with those bullets out of my SVI. 5.1 made 177 pf. 5.0 should be around 172. Soft and sweet.

Yes, they all do. the US import law requires all toy guns to have the orange tip, however it is not state law in most places to have them. Hence why many here locally will just paint them black or take them off.

Came a day early. These things are awesome! Works and breaks down just like a real tanfo. Will take it to a chrono tomorrow. hehe. I have 4 guns that were paid for and going out tonight/tomorrow, and have 3 more that folks were interested however did not receive funds... so if you were one of them, claim it.

Had exact same situation. New guy. Put one in the berm before I could even say something. Shooter was trying to rush. No reason to get dq off of the clock.

Its a fantastic gun that I would trust my life to, yet for competition, there are better alternatives with larger after market support. For me, the DA/SA trigger is not great for competition. Everything else, I love the gun, and the ultimate SHTF gun for me.

I think the best thing for this match would be to add staff. As an RO, the RO coverage was not enough, and we were working for 3 days, with shooters who need more attention (safety wise). Even Nationals, with arguably less difficult stages has much better RO coverage per stage. Lastly, I don't think any safety infractions should be ignored, no matter how "minor" people seem to think they are.

if you saw it, it does not matter if he finished shooting or not, stop, there, call Range Master. the problem is, you are not doing these shooters a favor by letting them go, and a warning. the worst is when you give a shooter a warning, and instead of paying attention to you, all they care about is how they shot the stage. Safety is the most important part and what makes USPSA what it is. No one goes home to think about the warning you gave them, they go home wondering about how they shot. If someone was breaking a safety rule, there is no place for it, especially people who should know it. Only way people will focus on safety is by going home and focusing on why they did not finish the match, and not getting their scores.

You don't DQ people, they DQ themselves, you are just the one informing them, not even that. It is stop, unload show clear, hammer down, holster. Call Range Master.

Thanks Nik. Email is en route to Vlad. hehe. this will determine and probably make me want to work Nationals again.

When do the local clubs get them? =) So I know when the remind my MD for all the hard work I put in. Then to decide if I work one, shoot one.

woot woot, congrats grandpa

Here locally, more and more are coming up in production, alot less in Limited. I think there were 2 people shooting them at the local matches. they are pretty nice guns.

Hennings basepads, the small screws screw into the basepad.

Depends on the match. at the local clubs I may clean once after the match At nationals, and at Area 8 I had to clean after every stage because of the sand in vegas, and fine gravel in VA. This was not even an SVI, but a Tanfoglio.

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