OK guys. I bought some of these bullets the first of March and did a little test with them before going to the 2015 AL sectional. With 4.6grains of N320, I was bench shooting them with a 2" group @ 20yds. If I can get a picture posted of the group, I will. They were so accurate with N320, I shot the AL match with them and they performed beautifully. I ordered 4K more and got 2K pieces brass all shipped for under $380. In my book, that's a deal. They did not shoot with my reg powder of WST as well, but not bad. As good as any other bullet. I picked up some Alliant BE-86 amd will testing it also.