Forrest Halley

In a two handed firing grip squeeze the bejesus out of it with the support hand and it keeps your firing grip riding high. At least that is what I have found.

Yes I am. I think Teflon tape should solve this. If it doesn't I may go the way of Lentz and have it contoured as he did.

I am not a fan of all the back fouling around the muzzle "nipple". I am currently trying a bit of blue loctite to see if that will seal well enough to stop the fouling. Next I will try Teflon tape. Thoughts? Is this a one piece barrel or a shroud and liner?

The winner of the internet is laughing at his own foolishness and extending the olive branch to the alleged big bad eight shot guy. Point well received.

Tk's are stamped for $39/10 or Hearthcos are cut somehow for $75/10 but are much more durable IMO. Ranch products are softer metal and they get bent easier. Revolver supply has an inferior designed hex center hole out. Those things may as well be origami paper. Buy decent moonclips and scare the h311 out of anyone who comes close to stepping on them. I tell my squad if they step on my moonclips their mags are toast...just kidding...or am I? Haven't had any more issues. The .040" thick Hearthcos are tank like, but I'd still baby them as best I could.

I was unaware there was danger of this. Mine appears quite a bit larger than 9mm...

Why drill it out larger?

I have no regrets about buying my 929. I shot it in my first match last Sunday. I had very few clips for it and for my first revolver match I came in 69% of GM John Z. I had a rough day at the range and identified several weaknesses that I can work on and get stronger. I didn't miss any long shots on paper, but I was sweating large portions of my posterior off and this contributed to a big difficulty in hitting small steel at distance.

Because fingers are of various widths and most folks are trying to ride as high as possible on the grip frame to reduce the muzzle flip....would be my guess.

So these will fit a G29? Ideally I'd like something Pearce grip frame clearance and the option of flush fit or extended in that same length.

Defining it concretely might have unintended consequences. Maybe the first step is to add some additional information to clarify the intent? I like that idea! It leave stage design wide open with just a minor restriction that keeps the 6 shot guns in the game. You're likely right about that...I'm giving it thought. Don't forget about the three even reload array windows. Longer stages are fun too!

OK shootist and Pat Jones make great points. 1-5, 9-11, 17 are all the same between cylinder capacity 6-8. 32 is reasonable for a maximum number on a stage. That's five reloads straight up no convenient refills and likely as many as eight if all goes south and I go to war with the stage. Standard loadout guesstimate: 42 rounds in classic, 54-72 limited and open. I assume that most shooters own at least six speedloaders and/or ten moonclips. Loaner gear is likely even better equipped...I support the 32 round limit because reloading marathons take lots of time with bigger squads and it allows for a reasonable estimate for sufficient gear.

Another one guzzles the Koolaid! Excellent! Welcome to the wheel world.

This is why "neutral" needs to be defined concretely with examples by the ICORE folks. Careful 13 is more than eight as is 24. With no max array number the can of worms is bottomless. The man who came up with the idea of a COF book for clubs had a great idea.

I can count by six and recently eight and have even shot high round count matches with a five shot snubby. I realize that the starter gun for ICORE is going to be a six shot K or L frame with HKS speedloaders and Uncle Mike's nylon pouches and holster. I enjoy the mental exercise of breaking down the stage for various capacities so therein have I interest in keeping six shot revolvers playing the game in every division. I am all for a twenty reload stage and half of it split mini poppers favoring a shotgun, but ICORE said the stages should be six shot neutral, so I'm flexing my limited skull noodlage to that end. I'd even shoot said stage with a snub nosed five shot and smile from ear to ear. I will honestly say I don't much care for your explanation of six shot neutral. I am not looking to make all things equal just to find the best way to maintain the advertised neutrality. I am aware that 8≠6 and shall forever remain that way. I was proposing solutions to offset this inequality in the preservation of six shot neutrality, which has yet to be concretely defined. I was also attempting to show the elasticity that could be applied to the definition by considering makeup shots and steel allowances. Never did I mention anything other than capacity in application of a time offset which would be applicable to B's and C's only and would more effectively execute the major/minor offset that failed in USPSA. Webleys are very neat revolvers and the user Cherryriver had some cool videos of USPSA matches a while back using one. I personally have no interest in any one division, but would prefer not to make safequeens out of people's six shot guns. So they aren't the cutting edge and may have to let a shot stand from time to time, that's alright. However making them three reloads behind in a COF isn't right. My ideas may not be the answer, but what if they evoke a thought from someone else that is? USPSA had their rule change drastically alter the game in that division with the acceptance of eight shot revolvers. All thanks to folks that didn't pay attention to anything but what they wanted and stated great things about improved participation. It didn't hold water and drove all the six shot minor guns back into the safe. Self moderated.

Yeah. Especially since you can get a heavy magwell from Dawson with seven ounces of brass weight to it and it looks just like...you guessed it...the little brass one. With weight limits in divisions...why does it matter?!?I have always thought that in my idpa days, why does it matter how you make weight... Just don't go over... But the old rules specifically forbid brass. I wasn't sure about the new rules, that's all. I recalled the brass ban as well. Why does a carry gun need a magwell...seems to limit concealment doesn't it? My 1911 in 10mm is not super concealavenient with its S&A magwell and Tripp Corey mags...but it fits a box.

Yeah. Especially since you can get a heavy magwell from Dawson with seven ounces of brass weight to it and it looks just like...you guessed it...the little brass one. With weight limits in divisions...why does it matter?!?

I was one guy in the universe that had three different calibers of six shot moon guns (working on a fourth) until I was mugged by a 929.Clipped six guns are an odd duck. Their shooters are either oblivious and stumbled upon a gross of ranch .45 clips or they are savvy and get Hearthco or TK clips for a pet gun that is custom cut. At least that was my journey into revolvers. Seems likely that a 625 would be, if not cheaper, then easier to gather the gear to get started in competition with. Someone suggested slots to be awarded to encourage crossover between disciplines. The ranking levels are at least comparable between USPSA and ICORE, but idpa shouldn't be discounted as it is where a lot of shooters get their start, but their revolver participation is likely very sporadic. I was poking people to shoot with me, but once you beat them...back to the auto they ran.

An even number of moonclips or loaders is six shot neutral? Surely you mean even reloads between 8&6 there. Otherwise, I cannot see how it works as it becomes a runaway on the reloads over 18 rounds. Your point on the scoring system already being harsh on a beginner is valid, but you have to change something to create an offset to the 33% increase in firepower. Do you have any ideas to facilitate neutrality of your own?

Sometimes the dies will loosen in the tool head. As I put mine in place with an adjustable wrench...it can happen to you! Worst offender is sizing die followed by seating. Extra powder measure.....oooh ahhhh.....Great idea when the rounds use different powders. How do you get the toolhead off without loosening or removing the powder measure? The powder reset rod on my 550 is not very easy to remove.

Some things I have learned: Hornady locking rings...I use them for all my dies. Set them once and be done with it. Never any problems and you can mount and dismount the dies from the toolheads with no issues. I have two toolheads and load a bunch of different calibers switching back and forth between caliber that use the same primer size. You are aware that the 9 and 40 use the same shellplate and shellholder pins in a Dillon. Bought from scratch you'd buy a 40/10 and 380/38supercomp conversion kit to load 10-40-9-38-380. Always consult the Enos crossover charts! Remember to check your powder charge every time you caliber convert as well as the setting of the reset lever spring system.

Find someone who shoots 40 or 10mm in a revo...they don't care about trimmed brass....I love it.

I hate to say it, but the pro is right here. The OP sounds like he wants a Les Baer accuracy guarantee from a vendor on a used polymer frame gun after a rebarrel job. Everybody jump at the chance and make sure you give him your personal cell number.*rolls eyes* I believe Enos shot 1911 variants where the type of fitting needed to achieve 2" groups at 50yds is possible, but many shooters cannot realize that degree of accuracy. Polymer frames are not as tightly controlled in tolerance. Personally I'd like to see an honest group from any of the three mentioned pistols at 10 yards. Let's us know exactly what we are dealing with.

Why doesn't ICORE just go ahead and define exactly what six shot neutral is??? The reason I am saying this is simply where does it start and end? I can make a stage where the six shot guns don't have any more reloads than an eight. This is a big difference between the two guns in a long stage. The point is then raised, "But the six shot doesn't have any makeups." So how many makeups are we going to factor in? One or two? What about steel on a stage where this is a real concern with the taking the miss/reload dilemna? Where is the break even point between crippling the eight/exalting the six and the six being left behind? Where do you say, "You chose the number of rounds in your cylinder; make do."? A solution may be to make the scoring benefit the line cutting ability of the larger calibers in six shot guns and to change the Bravo and Charlie value for the eight shot guns. Instead of 1s and 2s perhaps 1.5s and 3s? This would create a greater focus upon accuracy and offset the advantage a little. It would also not necessitate any changes to stage design. USPSA failed at this, but they are an eight shot organization. The 1911 is king there and always will be. ICORE has a chance to get it right without going IDPbananas.

???Nobody has said this yet, but it's a Ruger...how aesthetic could it ever be?????? I have eight of them... but they're all single actions...?muahaha