Dan Burwell

It ought to read "looks for car"

NNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOO that depends.... the club is currently considering range improvements that would add some more pistol pits, if (IF) we get those I will likely not use the indoor range. if we do not get the improvements then heck yeah we are having a dark stage although, there will likely be more light this time around, it was pretty dark in there.

Yes it is true we will be hosting the Western PA section match again in 2012, there are still some things to be worked out but it will likely be the first weekend of august again.

the sure fire timer app is working on my Iphone 4 with iOS5

This was never one of my written goals. However, it is a by product of the effort I have put into achiving some of my goals.

I have to wonder why you had it close enough to attract attention? What is the proper distance behind the point of the hips? Far enough so you don't have a CRO poking you looking for your hip bone! You mean RO's place their hands on you. With your invitation ideally...... I have a pretty good idea where the hipbones end -- so I don't need to touch you to make the call. Now on appeal, if you were to suggest, "my hipbones come farther forward, please feel" as part of the request for reconsideration, that could happen..... No one -- to the best of my reading recollection -- is suggesting that there is random groping going on..... There should be more random groping. Normally, that costs more... Yeah about the cost of airfare?

Sonny Morton was shooting S&W M&P 9PRO. I did two of the top 16s guns

I think a lot of folks are thinking about how well you can move around a stage while being physically fit and miss what happens overall in a match. Major matches are often shot all day during the summer heat. Being in good physical shape may not help so much on a 70 degree day with 5 stages to shoot, but I guarantee at the end of a 10 stage match in the 90 degree heat the guy in better physical shape will be more physically and mentally ready to shoot those last couple of stages.

+1

GB, It was my pleasure, it got me off the chrono and I got to see a few of the stages.

11. I finished well as a "lady" shooter! Not only did he do well against the other ladies he did it shooting minor

yes you are.... it will be weak hand with the top half hard covered and it will be spinning. No, no the only reason to shoot it one handed it because you want to. the middle port drops out of the way, the side ports have to be held open with the ropes.

The range will certainly be open for you viewing pleasure. I really doubt we will be able to get anyone registered thursday evening, although it won't hurt to ask if you happen to see us sitting around admiring our handy work.

D4.17 is about the slide... I was under the impression that if you have a DA/SA firearm you cannot cock the hammer after the draw... that the trigger has to be pulled from factory mode (hammer down - that's why it's DA/SA) but in the rulebook it states this... Special conditions: — Handguns with external hammers must be fully decocked at the start signal. And that's all it says... So I would say yes, after the start signal and the draw you can cock the hammer back.. (but it's still faster to just pull the trigger) from the IPSC rule book D4:

Can you provide evidence to support that statement? I'm not trying to pick a fight, I just haven't seen anything in this thread from anyone but Troy. Sorry, I chose the wrong word it was consensus not majority: Troy's post

I'd like to expand on this thought. Multiple posters have said that a swinger chased into hardcover/no shoot is okay, but somewhere between that situation and shooting under/ through the wall is not okay. For the "yes FTE" guys, how far away from having a clear shot at the target is okay? 6 inches? 1 foot? 20 feet? Where do you draw the line? You can't have it both ways. Both situations are either FTE/FTSA or they are not. Lee USPSA makes the definition for "Location" to mean "a geographical place in a course of fire" be it a box or a port in a wall or whatever. We often use it to determine if we have broken the more than 8 shots from one location stricture within the rules when designing a CoF. (1.2.1) The ruling is simple. Is the target available from the shooting location or not? If it is, then no FTE. The competitor clearly had an opportunity to hit the target and successfully made that attempt if they indexed on the target and "shot" at it's face. If, from that shooting location, the target was unavailable to be engaged then it is unavailable and therefore will incur an FTE if that is the only place the shooter shoots at it's face. You draw the line at a well trained RO to know enough of what a shooting location is. We ask it of them in other scenarios within the rules so why not here as well? Kevin, I totally get what you are saying, the problem is the rule book make no mention of the target being available from a given location in regards to the FTE/FTSA to support your call. the way it is currently the written shooter either shot at the target or they didn't. going back to my scenario, how close to shooting around a wall do I have to be to avoid the FTE? if my rounds are within 2 inches of the corner, 4inches, 6inches, I shoot a foot into the wall, or 6ft into the wall, at what point do I get the FTE? So maybe it's not about where the rounds impact? How about where my feet were when the shots were broken (IDPA does it with cover calls and we all know how much that is discussed as being subjective). Does one foot have to be exposed to the target or both? I can lean pretty far so... Maybe you can only shoot at targets that you can actually see without any walls between the shooter's head and the target, but wait then I guess Taran Butler can no longer do the point a gun under a port to shoot because there was a wall between his head and the target so now he gets an FTE? (ok crappy sentence structure but you get the idea). So what is the long term answer? I don't know, but I do know for the short term (current rule book)if a shooter shoots at a target they do not get a FTE/FTSA. By the way this notion was supported by the majority of the current RMIs.

All treated the same except the steel wall if is closer than 23 feet. Within the scope of the rules about the only thing you can do about someone shooting holes in your walls is 10.6.1. Look at it this way: three targets around a corner the first two targets the shooter engages no problem, but the shooter doesn't quite get out around the corner far enough and puts two rounds through the wall trying to hit the last inside target. FTE? his bullets had no chance to hit the target(wall in the way)? maybe he could see the target from where he was(shooting error) maybe he couldn't (foot placement error) Who makes the call? RO is watching the gun clip board guy is on other side not really in a position to see both feet, gun, and target. is this really any different than the original scenario?

You are reading something that isn't there. There is no requirement to shoot at the face only from where it is possible to get scoring hits. It just doesn't say that anywhere in the rule book and that is the problem. Read the PE rule again and tell me where it says the target must me shot at from a location where it is possible to get scoring hits: I completly understand your logic the problem is it is not supported by current written rules. That is the reason the RMIs reasoned what they reasoned. I really feel this is one of those things we all believe that the shooter did something they shouldn't and should have gotten the PE for FTSA but it just isn't supported by the current wording of the rule book. I suppose this is how we end up with new rules.

Have you talked to GT targets they are only 30 min from you? Another I would try is Nevco Targets they does a lot to support USPSA matches.

Adding this to my signature line

Right now I am thinkin shooter meeting at 8:30 first shot 9:00, but I need to get with the RM. I will send out an email when I get that solid. I am pretty sure either hotel you will need to call to get the discount. Neither gave me a code to use, they just said to have the caller mention the WPA section match.

I use a TIG welder to weld a nice area up then toss it in the mill to make it perfect. Just make sure if you played with the pre-travel that all your safties still function!!! I have seen several DIY and one gunsmith that had eliminated both the trigger safety and the FP block safety. Not only is a real bad idea but is not permitted in Production.

Care to quote a rule on that? the is because I know you can not. No where in the rule book does it say you have to be able to see (reality or rules reality) in order to "shoot at" it or engage it. It only says when the shots count for score and when they don't. This is the whole reason that this thread has gone on for so long. We all know what we'd like the book to say or what we think the book says but the reality is that it doesn't say a target must be visible in order to "shoot at" it.

looks like I have 9 signed up for L-10 right now, you are on of the two Ms. I hope you mean August Yep, right now we are to the point where I cannot really do anything until I have the ranges open up to us next weekend. Kind of the calm before the storm so to speak.

I know I am not the best computer guy, so I suppose I am a good test subject. I opened the program, I choose the competitors_sample.csv file for the one to open and the test.db (match file I created to test this out)as the import target. When I hit go I got a pop up saying import progress and a good bye button, but nothing more happened. Something amiss or am I as bad at this stuff as I thought? running Win7Pro SP1