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I wouldn't mind trying a 160 grain bullet in 9mm myself. I bet it'd be like shooting a cap gun. I also think S1000 is too fast for that heavy a bullet. Try something slower.

You can't change recoil springs in Production? I don't modify my guns to cycle lighter loads. If it won't cycle a stock gun, I won't load it. I'm not a gun gamer. I shoot competitively to attempt to improve my shooting for self defense. Perhaps I'm selling myself short, but I don't really like the idea of installing a lighter spring just to get it to cycle when changing powders makes it easy. 3.2 grs cycles in my G34 just fine with the stock spring. Every once in a while weak hand I would have a issue. 3.4 cycles my gun fine but I dropped to a 15lb spring just for a little margin of safety. 3.2 grains is well over the max with Clays. Max is 2.7. I suspect your pressure is much higher than you realize. I'm just not willing to push that much over the max with a powder known for blowing up guns to make it happen. I think Clays is just too fast for 9mm with heavy bullets.

With a 136PF I would drop your charge to 3.3 and retest. I would bet it still makes PF and 3.4 would still be right around 130pf. Thats plenty of leeway. I just might. Considering my AA #5 loads were lighter and still cycled fine, you might be onto something. Clays was a miserable failure with the 147s...hit book max and still wouldn't cycle the gun reliably without holding it with a death grip. Note that the average power factor was only 133 with the 3.5" barrel. I am shooting single stack right now, but if I ever decide to shoot production again, this load seems like it works great.

Sorry about that, guys. I actually realized that not only did I copy the wrong data out of my spreadsheet, but I actually forgot to input my S1000 data into the spreadsheet! I also corrected my typo/error. The AA #5 info posted before were loaded at 1.130", these at 1.145". The data above IS the correct data. SD = sample standard deviation ES = extreme spread Avg PF is calculated by taking the average velocity x bullet weight in grains / 1000. N = the number of observations Sorry for the confusion. S1000 is hands down better than the AA #5 I was using before. SD with AA#5, 38 and 40. SD with S1000? Well, you be the judge.... Thanks for letting me know about this load. I'm thinking S1000 is going to be my go-to powder for target/IPSC loads after this.

9mm Luger 147 grain LTC , 3.5 solo 1000 powder, 1.145" COAL M&PC9C 3.5" 904 Avg PF 133.2555 918 Mean 906.5 913 SD 14.76670429 911 ES 56 907 936 n 10 899 900 880 897 M&P Pro, 5" 934 Avg PF 136.5777 954 Mean 929.1 946 SD 16.17577063 918 ES 47 907 925 n 10 950 925 916 916 As stated in other threads on this powder/topic, load at your own risk, 3.5 grains is well above the max according to Accurate Arms/Ramshot. This was shot in 30 degree weather outside yesterday, so I'm sure this load will make minor no matter what the weather conditions.

What is the "max" anyone has found safe here with S1000 and 9mm with 147 grain bullets?

I guess I'm a convert. I'm going to try Solo 1000 in my M&P 9 Pro.

Who's done it? What load data do you trust?

As you guys probably (don't) know, I am the President of my university's rifle and pistol shooting club, as well as the captain of the "Gunfighting Illini," the school's action shooting team and the only one of its kind in the entire United States, as far as I know. It's never been done before, but I would like to figure out a way to tap the school's student activities funding for my club so that we can attend far away matches and compete (potentially) on a national level. I'd also like to use it to procure targets (steel and cardboard), target stands, holsters, magazines, mag pouches, and perhaps belts so that my guys who can't afford the gear needed to compete will be able to--and so that the equipment can be passed to later members of the club for these types of events. First and foremost, I need to know what kinds of rifle and pistol matches are open to anyone or nearly anyone. I can most likely get the school to fund travel and hotel for up to 12 people, 4 times per year, in order to compete. The school will pay half of the match fee, 60 cents a mile per vehicle OR plane tickets for everyone, and the hotel. From what I understand, they want these to be large, sanctioned matches. The first thing that came to mind is the CMP's matches at Camp Perry. Despite them occurring in the summer, I AM going to submit to have the school fund that event. What other kinds of shooting sports have sanctioned matches? USPSA has some--but they'd require my guys to not only be classified with the USPSA, but they'd also have to win at state level matches which would require a lot of out of pocket expense. USPSA's national level match for multi-gun is currently open on a first come, first-served basis, and I will definitely be tapping the funding for this. Other than this, I'm at a loss as to what kind of matches I could get the school to eat. I would like for them to send us to local matches, but I'm not sure that will pass. Does anyone know of a match that could generally be attended by anyone with a firearm, no matter how far away, that I could use? Also, permanent equipment can be purchased. I've considered trying to get a plate rack or pepper-poppers, as well as cardboard IPSC targets funded. I think they'd be a big help in getting the guys ready to compete. I guess this might seem silly, but I think it'd be BAD ASS to have a successful university practical shooting team. In this day and age, with the antis telling us that "guns are bad," teaching people how to be proficient rifleman and pistol shooters with money that would normally be used to fund some Marxist's speech or some other bullshit would be an excellent thing, I think. The front lines to opening the eyes of everyone at this school, which is in one of the most God-forsaken states for gun laws in the entire country, is right in front of me as President of this club. Any ideas you can submit would be helpful to our mission of teaching more people about shooting so that the next generation will value their 2nd amendment rights as we do. FWIW, my club has existed for years, just not branched into anything competitive. I want to make it easier and more accessible for more students--by tapping the school's funding to do so. Thanks in advance.

Leroy - It's the other way around - heavy bullets need a faster twist. I doubt you'd be able to stabilize 220s out of your .308, but they'd work out of a 1/10" gun. Actually you're both wrong. It's longer bullets that need a faster twist. Usually, longer bullets are heavier, too, but not always.

Factory ammo is hotter than that. The standard for .45 is a 230 grain FMJ @ 850 FPS. That's >195 PF.

I'll be using a 5" barrel as well (S&W M&P Pro). I figured Power Pistol would be dirty, because it is a medium powder designed for higher velocity and more powerful loads. I was looking for a faster power to get the pressure up there without too much velocity. I've been cranking out .45s for the past few hours (I haven't had my press set up, I just moved) and I'm back in business!

There's a local guy here who carries powder, so I should be able to get a pound within a week and give it a "shot."

Thank you so much! Looks like 2.7 will do it. Any signs of pressure? 2.8 is the max in the Lyman pistol and revolver manual, per the guys on another website. How was cycling? What spring do you use?

231 is supposedly a hot burning powder, as is Titegroup, both of which are common powders for this caliber. I am going to try to find a pound of solo1000 locally to give it a try. In the mean time, I ordered the Lyman Pistol and Revolver manual, which supposedly has a case-filling compressed load for the 147 grain lead truncated cone load which gives 873 FPS out of a 4". If that is correct (which I have to get it to varify), I should be able to back that load down some and still make minor. I have over 4 lbs. of Clays, and I use it for .45, so it'd be SWEET if I could get it to work safely in 9mm.

What kind of jacketed bullets did you switch to? 950 FPS is more than I intended to shoot it at, but I'll keep an eye on my barrel anyway, thanks.

I found an old post that suggested that when I searched. Power Pistol seems flashy according to some. I'd agree with that (I've loaded it for .45 ACP). Has anyone tried accurate #2 or #5? Or Universal? A little research shows Solo 1000 is even faster burning than Clays, which I've heard can have some nasty pressure spikes in 9mm.

My Kimber has chowed down 2,000 of them over the last few years. 200 grain LSWC are great. 230 LRN recoils lighter, though.

I'm loading 147 grain lead truncated cone bullets for my 5" S&W M&P Pro. I have some AA #5, Power Pistol, and Clays available. I believe clays will likely not work with this bullet. I'm reluctant to use Power Pistol as I think the velocity will be too high, but I'm open to suggestions. I would like to be 125-130 pf (850-900 FPS is fine). Thanks in advance