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I love that that is still on the web site, being as it explains all the rulings that were removed form the "rulings" page with the 2014 rule book being adopted. Here is my favorite line from this outdated page that everyone seems to ignore 18) What provisions of this interpretation apply to magazines? May I modify my magazines? ANSWER: In general, NO. All existing rules and rulings remain in effect for magazines. While there are no specified limits on magazine length, an existing ruling requires that the gun must fit in the box with a magazine inserted, and that all magazines (whether OEM or aftermarket) must be “dimensionally the same as the original magazine for that model of gun”. Adding aftermarket base pads, adding or removing material from base pads or adding grip-tape would all be considered external modifications and are not allowed. Springs and followers, for purposes of this ruling, would be considered “internal parts” and may be modified or replaced without restrictions. so with everyone saying that this list says a extended mag release is legal I think I will start moving shooters to open for adding aftermarket base pads It's either one or the other you cant have both

I think some of your match directors may put steel a little father away than "normal" [emoji48] Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G935A using Tapatalk

My take on Lim Minor is lets face it I'm not going to win a big prize at the end of the match so I am really shooting for fun and lets face it lots of bullets and no recoil is fun.

your IDPA shooting will serve just fine for a safety class, the Safety rules are the same between the two sports, just let your squad know you are new to USPSA and they will let you go to the bottom of the order so you don't have to go first and you can see how others run the stage. Mike

The context I normally see that being use is in reference to bad stage design where the shooter is invited to break a safety rule (normally the 180 with targets visible up range) It's a way of saying all the responsibility for safety is on the shooter, and match set up and target presentation carry no fault

Slight Drift I have yet to figure out why we work so hard to make dump devices that safely hold long guns muzzle down pointed at the ground for safety but everyone seems to have some weird need to point their guns up whenever they remove them from bags or dump barrels. if you take your rifle out of the bag muzzle down to go to the line it is very hard to sweep anyone with it, same thing with shotguns to the preload table. I have seen many competitors get swept by RO's because they were a little zealous getting down range to reset while the RO is clearing an abandoned firearm and going muzzle up with it from the bump location, oddly most long guns are easy to clear without ever moving the muzzle from the bottom of the dump bucket, and can all be moved muzzle down so nobody gets swept.

Feel free to paint up any targets you like, I learned from this crazy old coot that said hard "cover is too much work just use a no shoot it easier"

It is done already, as long as you are willing to pay extra $150..200 for a printer and wifi access point for each stage. if your using Nooks you can do it for less, a cheep copier (think multifunction printer ~$60 + ink) takes about 15 seconds to copy the review page. I tested it for a match but end up doing it because I don't have power at my range.

on SOME guns it is plenty safe to go to half cock, on other guns it is just a LESS cocked hammer sitting over a firing pin with the safety off that you now intend to holster. Your argument is the same as saying SOME 1911s have firing pin blocks therefore we should not have a rule requiring the safety be applied on them

Not true.One shot or Dillon (the only ones I have used, and use Dillon exclusively now) do not cause a powder or primer problem. And I ALWAYS use lube, straight walled cases AND bottleneck... And if you are concerned about lube inside the case, just spray the lube in a bowl or zip lock bag first, then add brass and shake. Results; no lube inside the case. I can't imagine loading without lube... jj It's funny, when people ask about deactivating priming mistakes, the typical answer is soak it in oil. I believe the point is you are not soaking the case in oil when you spray case lube on it, if you are you are doing it wrong. I remember reading an article by the AMU high power team on reloading that showed their set up for spraying lanolin case lube (think Dillon) on the case necks prior to loading new PRIMED brass, they made a holder so they could stand them all up and spray the necks in bulk, no effort to avoid getting it in the case mouths, last I checked they are pretty good at what they do.

The OP states "DA/SA" as the pistol in question...see 8.1.2.3...that you posted above...after the start signal, all he needs is the safety applied, not hammer down, as the start position requirement has been met, since he is in the middle of the cof.This, hammer down only applies at start. If you want to reholster during course of fire safety applied in only requirement. The rules say otherwise for production. Where?

No aftermarket slide stops are not legal in production, although there are probably a number of people running them without being caught

I wish I was surprised that a "hot topic" on the USPSA web site is a explanation of rulings for a rule book that has been out of date for over 2 years

Too bad we are running or matches under the 2014 rule book

Have you passed this information on to DNROI ? yes, I am at least one of the reasons we got the ruling on the plastic grip plugs and the pending? ruling on magazine releases

Competitive difference is subjective, it is different from one person to another. Rules should be objective. Rules should be Objective as well as Strictly and Equally enforced. If you have rules that are not enforced or worse yet not Equally enforced then you have a problem. While Production division is very popular its equipment rules have many issues I would prefer to fix rather than copy to another division. I know for a fact that MANY guns with ILLEGAL modifications are allowed to compete at everything from local matches to National Championships, I don't believe that most of the shooters competing with these guns are trying to cheat, heck many don't even know they are. Can you tell me what every legal CZ hammer looks like? I know there are several that are legal and I know at least one smith is installing his own manufactured hammer on guns built for production, so that would be illegal but how do we tell the difference? if we can't then we have a bad rule because it will not be Equally enforced. If you are working chrono do you look up the serial numbers on GLOCK frames to verify that the frame is for the correct caliber and slide length for the gun presented? if we are not enforcing a rule it is only a recommendation.

as long as they are less than 171.25mm you are good

It doesn't seem to be a rule change, just a clarification of the current rule. Seems like Troy is just clarifying what's been legal for Production the whole time so no need to wait for official ruling to change mag release as it's already legal. At least that's the way I'm reading it. So if you are asked about the mag release how do you say its legal? I get that most likely, nobody will get called on it, but that still doesn't make it legal (in the same way driving 67 in a 65 and not getting a ticket doesn't make it legal) 21 Authorized modifications (Strictly limited to these items and their stated guidelines) Please note that, during a match, a shooter may be required to demonstrate that their gun is in compliance with Division rules by identifying a specific rules clause or published interpretation which authorizes any disputed modification. If the shooter cannot identify an authorizing rules-clause or published interpretation, the RM shall rule that the modification is PROHIBITED for Production use and shall move the shooter to Open Division.

So no not legal till the ruling (rule change) is approved by the BOD and posted to the Rulings page on the USPSA web site. at our sectional in August I was told by my RM (RMI) that they were told not to enforce that rule as the ruling was going to be posted any day, well its not August any more and its not posted so possibly the BOD has a different opinion? But like SO many of the Production equipment rules it will be de facto legal because nobody will really know what is and is not legal so nobody will be moved to open for for it.

My favorite arguments to watch has been that PCC will make matches both Too hard and Too easy, Seems like you could argue one or the other but not both

Why make rules that are hard to enforce and make no real competitive difference? if you think someone running a lone wolf slide on their G17 has a real advantage over you using a stock slide I suggest you try practicing.

OK I'll say it, If your matches will get harder because of PCC your matches suck. It seems like the harder I make the shooting challenges the more shooters show up.

My two cents is why have two divisions with rules that are hard to impossible to enforce. heck we cant even enforce the easy ones (example two Production National championships (2014 and 2015) were run under a rule set that made having a plastic plug in your GLOCK illegal, as far as I know no one was bumped to open for it and I would bet a large sum of money that most of the GLOCKs had one)

If you can't clamp it to the barrel you can always weld it to the comp

We had dry-ish matches twice last month, and only had to bag for about half of one this month, we'll see how Saturday goes.