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CZ 75b, because a division only for plastic guns is stupid. ETA: Yes, it makes the weight requirement.

I haven't read the book in many years, but after watching the first night, it seemed very different from what I remember. I plan to re-read the book after watching the final 2 episodes to compare the two.

The problem isn't the rulebook. It's people given the title of RM that are extremely underqualified. Maybe that's a way that USPSA could do something at the local level other than give clubs match credits. Make RMI's available as RM for Level 2 and Level 3 matches and USPSA foots the bill.

No, 5.1.7.2 should be retained. Part of its purpose is to keep people from switching back, i.e. picking the appropriate golf club for the stage...... And there are additional rules in the book that give the RM the authority to rule on whether competitor equipment is legal for the division selected.... I've yet to hear of a call where a substitute handgun that met division criteria was not allowed at a major match.... I was at a L2 match where a shooter was told his backup had to be the exact same make and model. He wasn't able to finish the match, because he couldn't find a backup that met the RM's requirements. This is a RM problem, not a rules problem.

I thought Troy commented in this thread, but he didn't. Maybe he talked about it in Front Sight? http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=182188&p=2013137

I'm pretty sure there is a thread on here from nationals a few years ago. A shooter asked for calibration before they shot, and the CRO said no. A few shooters later another shooter had an issue with the same popper, and it failed calibration. I think the RM ended up giving the entire squad a reshoot on that stage. Let me do a little searching.

But it's not a volunteer sport at all levels. There are many people getting paid for the work they do. Some at the highest levels are are doing a terrible job, and the "volunteers" that are supposed to oversee them are failing in their responsibilities. I'm not advocating for clubs to drop out of USPSA, but you have to understand why some people are upset. I guess I'm just a naysayer stirring the pot because I think our national organization should be run like the industry leader that it is, or at least was.

Not enough. Not even close. I don't have my notes with me, but I think I lost 0.6 - 0.7 oz milling the slide for an optic.

Kim promised something like this over a year ago. Like almost all of her great ideas, they never came to fruition. http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=190081&p=2102193

That was probably my home grown trigger job. Steve fixed it without any issues. He can hook you up if the factory wont.

This was discussed at the BOD meeting I attended. That was 2 years ago, so hopefully the statute of limitations has run out on anything I'm about to divulge. I also have to preface this by saying my memory isn't great. I hope one of the other attendees will correct me if I'm wrong. As i recall, Amidon was the only one on the board who knew how the process worked. (This includes members of the "classification committee" who had never been consulted on HHF or new classifiers.) Roger Maier keeps up with all the high hit factors. He reviews the data periodically and makes adjustments when he feels they are warranted. I didn't get the impression there was any formula, or bell curve, just his gut feel of how well the scores were falling within the norms. I think one of the main reasons at this point that they can't tell us where the HHF came from is because they don't know. Even if they were originally set by shooter X at Area Y, that information wasn't kept, and could easily have been adjusted since. I don't necessarily think this is a bad system, but I do wish there were more transparency.

Your assumption would be wrong. It's one guy with a spreadsheet making an educated guess. I don't think they are terribly far off, but there are several classifiers where there should be absolutely no difference between limited and L10, but they are. At this point, (and I hate to say it) I'm with Chills. if the answer is "We pulled random numbers out of a hat" so be it. Just tell us. The secrecy is worse than the truth, I'm sure. many of the classfiers have HHF's that were set by the division winner at nationals, so if grauffel shot conservatively that year, and Nils went balls out, it could mean that the production HHF is easier than it otta be compared to limited. I only researched production and limited scores, but I would not be surprised if the L10 scores for those classifiers were obtained in the same way. If you're referring to the 13 series classifiers, that's a whole can of worms in itself. There was plenty of video evidence of the COF being different at at least one of the nationals compared to the stage diagram. I'm sure there are threads on it here on the forum. since the hhf's don't seem to change (with the exception of a few getting an initial adjustment after a few months), I would say the classifications are based on numbers, but shooters are still competing with each other by comparing those numbers). It is my understanding that the hhf's are adjusted when the scores in the spreadsheet show it needs changing.

Your assumption would be wrong. It's one guy with a spreadsheet making an educated guess. I don't think they are terribly far off, but there are several classifiers where there should be absolutely no difference between limited and L10, but they are. At this point, (and I hate to say it) I'm with Chills. if the answer is "We pulled random numbers out of a hat" so be it. Just tell us. The secrecy is worse than the truth, I'm sure.

To me, the coursebook is pretty clear. If someone wants to hide behind the semantics of a particular word or phrase, re-writing the rulebook isn't going to stop them. You can't force integrity on those who refuse it.

http://www.uspsa.org/classifiers/Intro.pdf

I didn't keep my Front Sight. Can you please quote what he said?

if I recall they charge for them. When my numbers were off that was always the reasonMy memory jives with Kevin's -- IIRC every extra classifier showed up in EZWinscore as either a reentry for the same division, or as a new entry for a different division (with only one stage being scored). I guess I was confused. I apologize for the distraction.

It is my understanding that since USPSA only accepts the highest score, they only charge the fee for one classifier. I have no problem with match directors charging for a reshoot, but they aren't doing it because USPSA charges extra. Match directors, please correct me if I am wrong.

I feel like the rulebook is a little contradictory in this area. What if a mass produced pistol had cuts that were specifically for the purpose of lightening the slide? Akai's web site states the slide is "internally lightened." The only way I can see getting away with that is if you are copying cuts on a "mass produced slide available to the general public." But again I ask, what if those cuts are specifically for the purpose of removing weight.

Nik, In the pic above, the bottom one is a slide stop, not a safety.

Life's full of choices.

Milling the slide was about 1/2 oz. The optic mounting screws added back 0.1 oz. I don't know how much your mount weighs, but that will go away too if you mill the slide. You will still probably have to lose the rubber grips, but it's not that hard to get the 75b to make weight with the JPoint optic.

Do you actually have one set up? I am extremely skeptical of people making these statements, given my personal experience, and the fact that it seems every one of these remarks has been made without actually having weighed all of the prospective pieces, let alone actually have an actual pistol set up that way. My Compact set up for CO now weighs in at 44.55oz. It is currently wearing a set of VZs, which are comparable in weight to the aluminum scale grips (if anything, the VZs are actually lighter). Note that the scale grips are only marginally lighter than the CZC thin aluminum, and both are on the higher end of the weight scale. A full-size will be able to make weight, but you are going to have to play with the parts and/or mags to make it - you won't be able to just use whatever you'd like. A CZ 75b makes it without any issues, as long as you use the JPoint optic (1/2 oz.) It comes with a short plastic guide rod, and a LHS only safety. It also comes with plastic grips which are significantly lighter than other grips i've weighed. I prefer the rubber grips, but they are triple the weight of the plastic grips (1.2 oz per side, vs 0.4 oz per side.) http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=221731&p=2488703

Yeah. I wasn't going to bring up all the bad range masters.

There are a great number of "CROs" who have a very poor understanding of the rulebook. I'm referring to both people who have passed the CRO class, and those who have been given the title of CRO at a L2 or higher match.