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At 45 oz, the Allround is pretty much a boat anchor. Yes, it has been worked over by GGI since you played with it a few months ago.

That's an odd looking rear sight. Does it hold zero? Lots of CZs...

There are threads here for Open, Limited, L-10 and Steel guns. How about a single thread where we can post pictures of our diverse collection of Production guns? I'll go first: My 9mm Sig P226 X-Five Allround

I can't answer your question directly about the P229 in .22LR, because I don't own one. I do own a P226 .22LR conversion kit and it works really well for me. With ammunition costs being as high as they are, the conversion kit saved me quite a bit of money this year for my practice sessions. My conversion kit really liked to be run wet with oil for the first several hundred rounds. Now it runs just fine with a light layer of Slide Glide grease. One negative comment about the .22LR conversion kits is that the sights that come standard tend to shoot a couple of inches high (there have been a lot of posts about this on Sigforum). The good news it that the front dovetail is exactly identical to the front dovetail on all of the Classic Sigs. The rear sight dovetail is sized for a new style LPA adjustable rear sight. The only solution is really to change out the front sight to something taller. The front sight that comes on the conversion kit is already taller than the tallest Sig factory front sight. My solution was to install a really tall Dawson Precision fiber optic front sight, which worked perfectly for me because I use Dawson's on my competition Sigs so the sight picture is nearly the same. As far as accuracy goes. It's not a S&W Model 41, but it can easily shoot a 1" group at 10 yards. I use my conversion kit to work on target to target transitions and shooting on the move. I don't like using it to shoot splits because the timing is considerably different than my 9mm pistols. The most important lesson I learned is to finish your practice session with some full power ammo. The first time I shot my conversion kit before a match I didn't do this. The first stage of the match the next day, on my first shot I thought maybe I double charged a handload. I stood there thinking about what happened until I realized I shoot a couple hundred .22LR rounds the day before. I purchased as many different types of ammunition as I could to figure out what was going to work the best with my conversion kit. Fortunately for me, my conversion kit likes CCI Blazer bulk pack the best.

I agree with your comments, the factory test target is not very impressive. Who knows how it's done and by whom? I'd love to see the results of an X-Five that is fired from a Ranson rest. I bet that would be impressive.

The factory test target that came with my Allround is 1.125" for a five shot group, shot at 25 meters. Not sure if that is off a rest or freestyle.

Going off the previous claim of someone getting 1.5" at 50yds (which I don't believe for a number of reasons) it would make for a pretty inaccurate rifle. Heck, 1.5" at 100yds isn't very accurate for a rifle! So funny and yet predictable. Your swipes at Sig pistols are getting old. Go back to the Open Gun section of the forum.

I can't answer your question about the 20 round SWAT mags, but Roger Sherman makes and sells mousetrap extensions for regular P226 magazines that increase the capacity.

It's been a while since I've seen you at a match Duane. When do you see Scott shooting Texas Stars? mattk

Here is a thread from SIGForum where a guy purchased a pair of Hogue G10 grips for his P226 and did a review write up with pictures. I hope this helps!

I've played with one DAK equipped Sig and this was about three years ago. From the best of my memory, the DAK felt great. The reset seemed a bit long compared to the reset of my DA/SA gun. Since then I've read about multiple problems with light strikes on the primers on guns that are fresh from the factory. To me, Sigs come from the factory sprung with garage door springs. I can't imagine trying to lighten up a DAK gun that's already on the verge of having problems with light primer strikes. Back to the original question, why aren't there more P250s? This is squarely on the shoulders of Sig. They released the P250 initially with one frame size and barrel length. The modularity that was the main driving point behind the P250 hasn't materialized. I haven't seen any place where you can purchase the sub-compact, compact, or full size frame. I haven't seen any place that's selling complete slide assemblies in the sub-compact, compact, or full sizes. How about the different caliber conversions? Right now I can purchase a complete P250 in one size chambered in one of four calibers. Great. Now what if I want to go from .45 to 9mm with a different size frame and different length slide? I'm SOL, because those parts aren't available in great quantity.

Sig's had guns that are more than viable for USPSA Production Division for a while now. The P226 has been around since the 1980's with a folded two-piece carbon steel slide and more recently in various stainless steel and aluminum framed flavors. About two years ago Sig started selling the Sig P226 X-Five Allround, which is a 5" barrel full stainless steel beast. Don't forget the two P226 USPSA models that have been available all year long, one is full stainless and the other has an aluminum frame. I should have worded that differently. I should have said, I hope that Sig will come up with a trigger system that is as easy to shoot as some of the other production guns. I really like the ergonomics of the Sigs. I love the X5(Single action). I wish they made big mags. I would put down my 2011 for an X5 that held 30rds. Sig is known for their DA/SA trigger system. I doubt their going to dramatically change their bread and butter. Bruce Gray built me a P226 for Production Division that has a 5.5-lb DA trigger pull and a 2.5-lb trigger pull with a reset that's one quarter of the factor reset length. What more do you want? Guns like this will never come from the factory's mass production line. They are custom pieces similar to your 2011.

Sig's had guns that are more than viable for USPSA Production Division for a while now. The P226 has been around since the 1980's with a folded two-piece carbon steel slide and more recently in various stainless steel and aluminum framed flavors. About two years ago Sig started selling the Sig P226 X-Five Allround, which is a 5" barrel full stainless steel beast. Don't forget the two P226 USPSA models that have been available all year long, one is full stainless and the other has an aluminum frame.

Bart, How many P250s have you seen, shot, or handled?

I didn't realize that they were different skills. As someone who believes he is woefully over classified, I think there are two skill sets. The first would be classifier skills: burning draws down and super fast static reloads. Then there are field course skills that still require solid draws, but the reload is no longer done while standing still. Hopefully it's done within the first step of moving out of position. That leads me into economy of motion while shooting a stage. Eliminating excessive movements while getting into and out of position is something I know that is very important to practical shooting. So is shooting on the move. My current apartment is shaped like a bowling alley lane, long and narrow. Due to my furnature, I can only move about five feet laterally at about 10 yards. Static draws, reloads, SHO, and WHO on a sinle target are about all I can do for dry fire practice without using miniture targets.

Now that Nationals have come and gone, what are your thoughts about actively pursuing GM or just working on skills that will make you a better all around shooter?

Yong Lee is correct. He's one of four Production GMs we have in the Northwest Section. Mike Hughes is from a little further up north in the section and he just placed 10th overall at Production Nationals. I think we are quite lucky to have such talented shooters to shoot against every week.

DA every shot as mentioned. Also it is hammer fired. The shot to shot trigger reset is also pretty long.

MOMMMMMMMM, BATHROOM! The WoW episode eh?

Damn, you weren't effin' around with the Gnome steel!

In my external extractor P226s I run 14-lb Wolff conventional recoil springs on slightly oversized stainless steel guide rods. I usually run 17-lb Wolff mainsprings just to be safe when it comes to primer ignition. I have used 16-lb mainsprings before, but they lose their strength too fast and light primer strikes are annoying at a match. In my X-Five Allround that has a internal extractor I am sticking with the factory braided recoil spring. The internal extractor has been extremely unreliable for me in the three months that I've owned the Allround. Using the stock recoil spring helps slow the unlocking time and should allow the chamber pressure to decrease enough that case adhesion isn't so great that the extractor slips. As for the mainspring, it's light, but I can't say for sure.

Dave Sevigny's classifier scores don't really influence the percentages of any other Production shooter. His only influence comes at a major match when he wins and there are at least two other GMs that allow the match results to be counted towards classification percentage. There have been many BE Forum discussions about classifier high hit factors. What I've learned is that for Production division, the HHF is generally 95% of the Limited HHF for any particular classifier stage. So what does that mean? His scores are so high at a match that it makes the other production shooters artificially low? Take a look at the results for Production Division at the 2009 Area 3 match. There were four GMs there with Dave Sevigny winning the match. Not too many shooters were able to shoot within their current classification percentage.

Dave Sevigny's classifier scores don't really influence the percentages of any other Production shooter. His only influence comes at a major match when he wins and there are at least two other GMs that allow the match results to be counted towards classification percentage. There have been many BE Forum discussions about classifier high hit factors. What I've learned is that for Production division, the HHF is generally 95% of the Limited HHF for any particular classifier stage.

I am wondering if you could post a few before and after pictures of the modification you made to the magazine well on your Beretta? Thanks!

Maybe those were Cowboy Action loads?