How to ship a pistol

[sniperdog]

I have a few guns I am wanting to part with but am unsure how to ship a pistol without getting into a lot of trouble. Any advice will be greatly appreciated. Once I get it figured out I will list what I am wanting to find a new home for.

[CAMO66]

As far as long guns go, you can ship them USPS.

Pistols are a different story. You will have to ship them UPS or Fedex overnight. Not cheap. Make sure you do not write "GUNS" on the box and absolutly no ammo in the box with them.

You must ship them to a FFL and request a signed copy of his FFL with the payment before shipping.

You also need to make sure that the buyers FFL will except from non FFLs.

Make sure the weapon or mags are legal to where you are shipping them.(i.e. no NYC or Chicago)

Seems like alot to go through but it isn't really that bad once you do it.

Hope it helps.

Scott

I have a few guns I am wanting to part with but am unsure how to ship a pistol without getting into a lot of trouble. Any advice will be greatly appreciated. Once I get it figured out I will list what I am wanting to find a new home for.

[mleeber]

As a non-FFL holder you must ship to someone who has an FFL. They must provide you a copy of their FFL and you must put this in the box with the gun. The receiving FFL will usually want a copy of your DL to complete the transfer out of your name and into the new buyer's name. You must ship UPS or FedEx 2day or over night. UPS and FedEx say you must ship overnight but that is not true. If you have a good relationship with a local FFL you can take the gun to them and they can ship it for you. IF an FFL is shipping to an FFL they can use USPS priority mail. In my experience UPS or FedEx is going to cost you 40 bucks or more. A solid FFL will charge you $20 plus shipping (about $10). I would take it to a local FFL and have them ship it. However you ship it DO NOT tell anyone it is a gun. I have heard stories about guns being removed from boxes and being replaced with other crap so the weight is about right and that would suck.

[3quartertime]

There are several topics that cover shipping firearms in our Firearms laws/ Announcements forum.

A note to the members answering questions like this:

If you will provide a link to substaniate your information I'll add it to one of the existing topics or possibly merge several into one large 'firearm shipping' topic to make getting the right info easier for all!

Thanks.

[The_Vigilante]

If I ship UPS or FedEx Overnight, do I have to declare that I am shipping a firearm/pistol?

[mleeber]

NO. Do not declare it as a firearm. Just insure it appropriately.

If I ship UPS or FedEx Overnight, do I have to declare that I am shipping a firearm/pistol?

[mlmiller1]

I don't know about anywhere except Texas but legally I can sell & ship to another texas resident(assuming I trust he is not a felon or otherwise criminal type person) without going through an FFL holder. I found this out when I traded for a gun from a LEO in another part of the state. He said he would just ship me the gun. "UHHH, you know that is not legal, right?". He quickly informed me it absolutely was legal & told me where to find that in the state laws. How about that! I was kind of pleased to find that out.

Let me restate exactly what I just said: I can buy/sell/ship to another Texas resident that is legally allowed to own a gun without going through an FFL. I don't know about any other state, though.

MLM

[mleeber]

Isn't that only long guns? I moved from Texas several years ago and have not kept up with the rules. That said, I would think that the feds would have a problem with a transfer that does not at least involve the seller seeing a valid DL of the buyer. In my dealings the possession of a valid DL from the state in which the transaction takes place is critical on transaction that do not involve an FFL. Seems a bid squirrely because felons can still get licenses.... Oh and the other important part of that is that Texas is its own country with 5 separate states (or will be soon).

I don't know about anywhere except Texas but legally I can sell & ship to another texas resident(assuming I trust he is not a felon or otherwise criminal type person) without going through an FFL holder. I found this out when I traded for a gun from a LEO in another part of the state. He said he would just ship me the gun. "UHHH, you know that is not legal, right?". He quickly informed me it absolutely was legal & told me where to find that in the state laws. How about that! I was kind of pleased to find that out.

Let me restate exactly what I just said: I can buy/sell/ship to another Texas resident that is legally allowed to own a gun without going through an FFL. I don't know about any other state, though.

MLM

[Alan Adamson]

As far as long guns go, you can ship them USPS.

Pistols are a different story. You will have to ship them UPS or Fedex overnight. Not cheap. Make sure you do not write "GUNS" on the box and absolutly no ammo in the box with them.

You must ship them to a FFL and request a signed copy of his FFL with the payment before shipping.

You also need to make sure that the buyers FFL will except from non FFLs.

Make sure the weapon or mags are legal to where you are shipping them.(i.e. no NYC or Chicago)

Seems like alot to go through but it isn't really that bad once you do it.

Hope it helps.

Scott

I have a few guns I am wanting to part with but am unsure how to ship a pistol without getting into a lot of trouble. Any advice will be greatly appreciated. Once I get it figured out I will list what I am wanting to find a new home for.

Note, here...

UPS is wicked expensive, but you can also ship 2 day saver fed-ex and same a ton of money. has to go overnight ups or 2 day saver fed-ex from what little I've done to gunsmiths the the like.

Alan

[al503]

You have to ship fedex overnight priority. 2nd day isn't an option. You can ship it 2nd day but if something happens with the shipment, you can feign ignorance and hope for the best. However, you just gave them a good reason to deny your insurance claim for not following the terms and conditions.

[photog]

NO. Do not declare it as a firearm. Just insure it appropriately.

If I ship UPS or FedEx Overnight, do I have to declare that I am shipping a firearm/pistol?

NOT TRUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Per UPS rules, you MUST tell the clerk at the counter that it is a pistol. If you don't do this you are violating Federal Law. They cannot mark it on the box, but you MUST tell the clerk, see below from the UPS website:

Shipping Firearms

Special Procedures for Shipping Firearms

Use These UPS Services for Your Firearm Shipment

UPS accepts packages containing firearms, as defined by Title 18, Chapter 44, and Title 26, Chapter 53 of the United States Code, for transportation from and between licensed importers, licensed manufacturers, licensed dealers, and licensed collectors, as defined in Title 18, Chapter 44 of the United States Code, law enforcement agencies of the United States (or of any department or agency of the United States) and law enforcement agencies of any state or department agency (or political subdivision of any state), and from and between persons not otherwise prohibited from shipping firearms by federal, state or local law and when such shipment complies with all applicable federal, state and local laws applicable to the shipper, recipient and package.

* Handguns, as defined by 18 U.S.C. § 921,will be accepted for transportation only via UPS Next Day Air® Early A.M.®, UPS Next Day Air®, or UPS Next Day Air Saver® services. (Note: UPS Express CriticalSM Service is not available for firearms).

* UPS accepts firearm parts for shipment, provided the part is not a "firearm" as defined under federal law; the contents of the package cannot be assembled to form a firearm; and the package otherwise complies with federal, state, and local law. (Note: Receivers or frames of a firearm, firearm mufflers and silencers are considered "firearms" and are accepted for transportation only if shipped in accordance with UPS's requirements for shipping firearms.)

* UPS does not accept automatic weapons, including machine guns, for shipment.

* Firearms, including handguns, and firearm parts are not accepted for shipment internationally

* Ammunition may be accepted for shipment internationally provided it is shipped in accordance with the UPS Guide for Shipping International Goods.

* UPS ReturnsSM Services are not available for packages containing firearms.

Follow These Packing Requirements

* Packages containing handguns must be separated from other packages being delivered to UPS.

* Ammunition cannot be included in packages that contain firearms (including handguns). Ammunition must be shipped in accordance with the UPS Guide for Shipping Ground and Air Hazardous Materials, or the UPS Guide for Shipping International Dangerous Goods.

* Small arms ammunition, as defined in 49 C.F.R. § 173.59, will be transported only when packaged and labeled in compliance with 49 C.F.R. § 172 regarding hazardous materials shipments.

About Documentation and Labeling

* The shipper must use Delivery Confirmation Adult Signature Required service for each package containing a firearm, including a handgun, and affix a UPS label requesting an adult signature upon delivery.

Getting Your Firearm Shipment to UPS

* You can only ship your package that contains a handgun from UPS daily pickup accounts or through UPS Customer Centers (counters at UPS operational facilities). Note: Handguns are not accepted for shipment through UPS Internet Shipping, UPS Drop Boxes, or UPS On-Call PickupSM, or at The UPS Store® or any third party retailer.

* When you are shipping a package that contains a handgun, you must verbally notify the UPS driver or UPS Customer Center clerk.

* You can ship a firearm (excluding handguns), from a UPS daily pickup account, UPS On-Call Pickup, One-Time Pickup, or a UPS Customer Center. Note: Firearms are not accepted for shipment through UPS Internet Shipping, UPS Drop Boxes, or at The UPS Store or any third party retailer.

* See the terms and conditions in the UPS Tariff/Terms and Conditions of Service for information regarding firearm shipments.

PLease see below for references to law regarding federal regs on shipping handguns:

[18 U.S.C. 921(a)(32), 922(g)(8) and 925(a)(1)]

(B7) May a nonlicensee ship a firearm through the U.S. Postal Service?

A nonlicensee may not transfer a firearm to a non-licensed resident of another State. A nonlicensee may mail a shotgun or rifle to a resident of his or her own State or to a licensee in any State. The Postal Service recommends that long guns be sent by registered mail and that no marking of any kind which would indicate the nature of the contents be placed on the outside of any parcel containing firearms. Handguns are not mailable. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun.

[18 U.S.C. 1715, 922(a)(3), 922(a)(5) and 922 (a)(2)(A)]

(B8) May a nonlicensee ship a firearm by common or contract carrier?

A nonlicensee may ship a firearm by a common or contract carrier to a resident of his or her own State or to a licensee in any State. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun. In addition, Federal law requires that the carrier be notified that the shipment contains a firearm and prohibits common or contract carriers from requiring or causing any label to be placed on any package indicating that it contains a firearm.

[18 U.S.C. 922(a)(2)(A), 922(a) (3), 922(a)(5) and 922(e), 27 CFR 478.31 and 478.30]

(B9) May a nonlicensee ship firearms interstate for his or her use in hunting or other lawful activity?

Yes. A person may ship a firearm to himself or herself in care of another person in the State where he or she intends to hunt or engage in any other lawful activity. The package should be addressed to the owner. Persons other than the owner should not open the package and take possession of the firearm.

I have a UPS account, and as a web account holder I cannot ship a gun, I MUST take it to a UPS center, not a strip mall UPS Store, but a real UPS facility. Some FFLS have deals with UPS to ship Blue Label (2nd day air) but that is a deal with each one, not the standard. Folks, be careful here, these are FEDERAL REGS and interstate commerce laws and would be FELONIES. DON"T screw around or try to save a few bucks, it's not worth the risk.

[High Lord Gomer]

Handguns are not mailable. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun.

Thank you for posting all of that! I had missed the part about not sending a handgun through the USPS, before.

[Rye]

I don't know about anywhere except Texas but legally I can sell & ship to another texas resident(assuming I trust he is not a felon or otherwise criminal type person) without going through an FFL holder. I found this out when I traded for a gun from a LEO in another part of the state. He said he would just ship me the gun. "UHHH, you know that is not legal, right?". He quickly informed me it absolutely was legal & told me where to find that in the state laws. How about that! I was kind of pleased to find that out.

Let me restate exactly what I just said: I can buy/sell/ship to another Texas resident that is legally allowed to own a gun without going through an FFL. I don't know about any other state, though.

MLM

Where can I find that law? Thanks...

[jkatz44]

I don't know about anywhere except Texas but legally I can sell & ship to another texas resident(assuming I trust he is not a felon or otherwise criminal type person) without going through an FFL holder. I found this out when I traded for a gun from a LEO in another part of the state. He said he would just ship me the gun. "UHHH, you know that is not legal, right?". He quickly informed me it absolutely was legal & told me where to find that in the state laws. How about that! I was kind of pleased to find that out.

Let me restate exactly what I just said: I can buy/sell/ship to another Texas resident that is legally allowed to own a gun without going through an FFL. I don't know about any other state, though.

MLM

Where can I find that law? Thanks...

What are the rules if you are a non FFl and want to send it to a FFL for gun repairs. Is there and differences.

[kgunz11]

If I ship UPS or FedEx Overnight, do I have to declare that I am shipping a firearm/pistol?

If you take it to a Kinko's or Office Depot YES YOU MUST DECLARE THE CONTENTS IF THEY ASK.

[kgunz11]

Shipping Legalities

Federal Law requires that all modern firearms be shipped to a holder of a valid Federal Firearms License (FFL) only. The recipient must have an FFL; however the sender is not required to have one. Any person who is legally allowed to own a firearm is legally allowed to ship it to an FFL holder for any legal purpose (including sale or resale).

Here is exactly what the ATF 'Federal Firearms Regulations Reference Guide' (ATF P 5300.4) says:

(B9) May a nonlicensee ship a firearm by carrier?

A nonlicensee may ship a firearm by carrier to a resident of his or her own state or to a licensee in any state. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun. In addition, Federal law requires that the carrier be notified that the shipment contains a firearm and prohibits common or contract carriers from requiring or causing any label to be placed on any package indicating that it contains a firearm. [18 U. S. C. 922( a)( 2)( A) and 922( e), 27 CFR 178.31]

B8) May a nonlicensee ship a firearm through the U. S. Postal Service?

A nonlicensee may mail a shotgun or rifle to a resident of his or her own state or to a licensee in any state. Handguns are not mailable. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun. A nonlicensee may not transfer any firearm to a nonlicensed resident of another state. The Postal Service recommends that longguns be sent by registered mail and that no marking of any kind which would indicate the nature of the contents be placed on the outside of any parcel containing firearms.

'Antique' firearms need not be shipped to a licensed dealer. These can be shipped directly to the buyer. An antique firearm is a firearm built in or before 1898, or a replica thereof. The exact ATF definition of an antique firearm is:

Antique firearm. (a) Any firearm (including any firearm with a matchlock, flintlock, percussion cap, or similar type of ignition system) manufactured in or before 1898; and ( any replica of any firearm described in paragraph (a) of this definition if such replica (1) is not designed or redesigned for using rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition, or (2) uses rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition which is no longer manufactured in the United States and which is not readily available in the ordinary channels of commercial trade.

Knives, air guns, accessories, and most gun parts need not be shipped to an FFL holder. We say most gun parts because each firearm contains at least one part that the ATF considers a firearm. This part is typically the part that contains the serial number. This part must be treated as a complete firearm when shipping the item.

Ammunition must be clearly identified as 'Small Arms Ammunition' on the outside of the box. Some shippers treat ammunition as dangerous or hazardous materials.

The section of the US Code that governs modern firearms is called Commerce in Firearms and Ammunition (CFA). This code is available online at: http://www.atf.gov/pub/fire-explo_pub/2005...cfr_part478.pdf

When in doubt, we suggest arranging for transfer through a licensed dealer. Violation of the CFA is a felony and penalties for violation of it are severe.

Federal and State Law Resources

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (ATF) has a very comprehensive site containing information about the various Federal and state laws regulating firearms. Please refer to the ATF information for legal questions regarding firearms.

ATF Home page: http://www.atf.gov

ATF Compilation of the various state laws: http://www.atf.gov/firearms/statelaws/22edition.htm

ATF Firearms Division Main Page: http://www.atf.gov/firearms/index.htm

Shipment by Unlicensed Persons

Any shipper who does not have a Federal Firearms License (FFL) is considered to be an 'unlicensed person'. This section contains information on how unlicensed persons can ship firearms. If you have an FFL, please skip to the next section for shipping suggestions.

The most important thing to know is that you must only ship guns to a licensed dealer. If the buyer is not a licensed dealer, he will have to make arrangements to ship the item to a dealer in his state.

Before you ship a gun, the buyer must fax or mail you a copy of the dealer's signed FFL license. You can only ship the gun to the address on the license. You must inform the carrier that the package contains a firearm. Of course, the firearm cannot be shipped loaded; ammunition may not be shipped in the same box. You should take the copy of the signed FFL with you when you take the item to be shipped in case the shipper wishes to see it.

Notes on specific shippers:

US Mail: An unlicensed person can ship a rifle or shotgun by US Mail. Unlicensed persons cannot ship a handgun by US Mail. Postal regulations allow the Post Office to open your package for inspection. Ammunition cannot be shipped by US Mail. You can search the US Post Office Postal Explorer site for specific USPS regulations regarding firearms and ammunition.

FedEx: FedEx will only ship firearms via their Priority Overnight service. Ammunition must be shipped as dangerous goods.

FedEx Ground: FedEx Ground will transport and deliver firearms (excluding handguns) as defined by the United States Gun Control Act of 1968, between areas served in the U.S. Ammunition must be shipped as dangerous goods.

UPS: UPS will accept handgun shipments by Next Day Air only. Rifles and shotguns can be shipped by UPS ground service. UPS will accept shipments of ammunition. Most other shippers will no longer accept firearm shipments. Airborne and Roadway have specifically prohibited firearm shipments.

Shipment by Licensed Persons

Any shipper who has a Federal Firearms License (FFL) is considered to be a 'licensed person'. This section contains information on how licensed persons can ship firearms. If you do not have an FFL, please see the previous section of this page for shipping instructions.

Since licensed persons are responsible for knowing the law, we are going to assume that you already understand the CGA and know the applicable Federal, state, and local laws.

Notes on specific shippers:

US Mail: Licensed persons can ship a rifle, shotguns, or handguns by US Mail. In fact, we suggest that you use the USPS as it is now the most cost-effective way to ship a handgun. To ship a rifle or shotgun, you need only inform the Post Office that the package contains a firearm. A licensed manufacturer, dealer, or importer can ship a handgun via the US Post Office if the licensed dealer fills out a US Post Office Form PS 1508 and files it with the local Post Office branch where the handgun is to be shipped. You can search the US Post Office Postal Explorer site for specific USPS regulations regarding firearms and ammunition.

FedEx: FedEx will only ship firearms via their Priority Overnight service. Ammunition must be shipped as dangerous goods. NSSF members can sign up for a discount of up to 26% on FedEx shipments.

UPS: UPS will accept handgun shipments by Next Day Air only. Rifles and shotguns can be shipped by UPS ground service. UPS will accept shipments of ammunition.

Most other shippers will no longer accept firearm shipments. Airborne and Roadway have specifically prohibited firearm shipments.

Notes on USPS Firearm Regulations

We recommend that you read the Post Office regulations on Other Restricted or Nonmailable Matter before shipping a firearm through the US Mail.

The following info comes from the USPS Regulation DMM Issue 54, January 10, 1999, section C-024

Page C-39, section 3.0, Rifles and Shotguns: "Although unloaded rifles and shotguns not precluded by 1.1e and 1.2 are mailable, mailers must comply with the Gun Control Act or 1968, Public Law 90-618, 18 USC 921, et seq., and the rules and regulations promulgated there under, 27 CFR 178, as well as state and local laws. The mailer may be required by the USPS to establish, by opening the parcel or by written certification, that the gun is unloaded and not precluded by 1.1e."

Page C-39, section 6.0, PROHIBITED PARCEL MARKING: "For any parcel containing a firearm or a ballistic or switchblade knife, any marking that indicates the contents is not permitted on the outside wrapper or container."

The following pertains only to licensed dealers shipping handguns:

Page C-37, section 1.3, Authorized Persons: "Subject to 1.4, handguns may be mailed by a licensed manufacturer of firearms, a licensed dealer of firearms, or an authorized agent of the federal government......."

Page C-38, section 1.5, Manufacturers and Dealers: "Handguns may also be mailed between licensed manufacturers of firearms and licensed dealers of firearms in customary trade shipments, or for repairing or replacing parts."

Page C-38, section 1.6, Certificate of Manufacturers and Dealers: "A licensed manufacturer or dealer need not file the affidavit under 1.4, but must file with the postmaster a statement on Form 1508 signed by the mailer that he or she is a licensed manufacturer or dealer of firearms, that the parcels containing handguns (or major components thereof) are customary trade shipments or contain such articles for repairing or replacing parts, and that to the best of his or her knowledge or belief the addressees are licensed manufacturers or dealers of firearms."

[kgunz11]

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/unlicensed-persons.html

http://www.cgwgun.com/shipping/usps.aspx

http://www.cgwgun.com/shipping/batf.aspx

http://www.nraila.org/GunLaws/Federal/Read.aspx?id=60

http://www.ups.com/content/us/en/resources...s/firearms.html

[kgunz11]

I don't know about anywhere except Texas but legally I can sell & ship to another texas resident(assuming I trust he is not a felon or otherwise criminal type person) without going through an FFL holder. I found this out when I traded for a gun from a LEO in another part of the state. He said he would just ship me the gun. "UHHH, you know that is not legal, right?". He quickly informed me it absolutely was legal & told me where to find that in the state laws. How about that! I was kind of pleased to find that out.

Let me restate exactly what I just said: I can buy/sell/ship to another Texas resident that is legally allowed to own a gun without going through an FFL. I don't know about any other state, though.

MLM

Where can I find that law? Thanks...

You want to search for "Texas firearms shipping intrastate".

Don't take legal advice from members of an online forum, seek out laws written by the ATF. Those internet guys wont be there to represent you in court or pay your court costs when you get arrested.

[kgunz11]

NO. Do not declare it as a firearm. Just insure it appropriately.

If I ship UPS or FedEx Overnight, do I have to declare that I am shipping a firearm/pistol?

(B9) May a nonlicensee ship a firearm by carrier? [back]

A nonlicensee may ship a firearm by carrier to a resident of his or her own state or to a licensee in any state. A common or contract carrier must be

used to ship a handgun. In addition, Federal law requires that the carrier be notified that the shipment contains a firearm and prohibits common or contract

carriers from requiring or causing any label to be placed on any package indicating that it contains a firearm. [18 U. S. C. 922( a)( 2)( A) and 922( e), 27 CFR 178.31]

[mlmiller1]

Where can I find that law? Thanks...

Per KGunz post:

B9) May a nonlicensee ship a firearm by carrier?

A nonlicensee may ship a firearm by carrier to a resident of his or her own state or to a licensee in any state. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun. In addition, Federal law requires that the carrier be notified that the shipment contains a firearm and prohibits common or contract carriers from requiring or causing any label to be placed on any package indicating that it contains a firearm. [18 U. S. C. 922( a)( 2)( A) and 922( e), 27 CFR 178.31]

MLM

[Heavy Barrel]

Straight From Brown......

UPS_Firearms_Shipping_Information.doc

Edited December 21, 2009 by Heavy Barrel

[dcbfluff]

Lesson Learned shipping a pistol with US Postal Service (as in don't do it): I bought a pistol on this forum, with the seller paying shipping (FFL to FFL). He used USPS and insured the contents for full value (which must have cost him something). Package arrived slightly damaged (front sight). I filed the insurance claim though USPS, and claim was denied because of "Unauthorized Contents."

Financially, not a big deal: $50.00 repair, the gun shoots great. No hard feelings towards the seller, he clearly thought the insurance base was covered. The painful part is knowing that although the seller used FFL's, and insured the contents (at his expense), I could have easily been out a gun or something.

A lot of good info on this string. I have bought a lot of stuff from Enos forum members, and will continue to do so, but clearly there are other forces at work besides the good people on the forum.

[R A Miller]

Lesson Learned shipping a pistol with US Postal Service (as in don't do it): I bought a pistol on this forum, with the seller paying shipping (FFL to FFL). He used USPS and insured the contents for full value (which must have cost him something). Package arrived slightly damaged (front sight). I filed the insurance claim though USPS, and claim was denied because of "Unauthorized Contents."

Financially, not a big deal: $50.00 repair, the gun shoots great. No hard feelings towards the seller, he clearly thought the insurance base was covered. The painful part is knowing that although the seller used FFL's, and insured the contents (at his expense), I could have easily been out a gun or something.

A lot of good info on this string. I have bought a lot of stuff from Enos forum members, and will continue to do so, but clearly there are other forces at work besides the good people on the forum.

That's interesting. As noted above, it is legal for an FFL to use the USPS to ship a handgun to another FFL. Why was this shipment considered "Unauthorized Contents"?

In the past when I've sold a handgun to someone out of state, I would take the handgun to my FFL and he would ship the handgun via USPS to the buyer's FFL for the cost of shipping plus a nominal fee. I'm wondering if I should reconsider using this method in the future.

Thanks,

Rick

[dcbfluff]

I'm thinking that the reason the USPS rejected the claim is that it was I, the final recipient of the item (pistol) filing the claim instead of it coming from the FFL himself. Of course, I graduated from UMSF (University of Making S*** Up) so there could be any number of other reasons. Bottom line for me, sadly, is that like a lot of things I found it easier to fix the problem myself than to hold the rascals to task, (buy a new front sight, have it put on).