RangerTrace Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 I noticed something tonight while dry firing with my Open Benny Gun. When I kept my arms slightly bent, like I shot my Limited gun, it seemed to result in quite a bit of dot movement on the target. I never noticed the sights moving on my Limited gun. When I put more of a bend in my arms, the dot seemed to be a lot more stable on the target. Transitions were better too. I'm not sure how it will work in live fire, but it definately seemed to be the way to go in dry fire. BTW, I am not new to the concept of bending your arms while shooting. However, I may not have been, bending them enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoshidaex Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 I think its personal preference. If it works for you, use it to your advantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn Knight Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 Most of the shooters I have seen seem to shoot about the same between LTD and Open. One thing I noticed with my Open gun is I tend to bring the gun slightly closer to pick up the dot faster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neomet Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 (edited) Most of the shooters I have seen seem to shoot about the same between LTD and Open. One thing I noticed with my Open gun is I tend to bring the gun slightly closer to pick up the dot faster. Shawn, I thought the only thing you noticed about your open gun was the dust it is collecting. Personally I notice less dot movement if I keep my elbows bent. Seems to let the recoil energy be absorbed straight back. Edited October 1, 2009 by Neomet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritinUSA Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 My draw/reloads are faster if I bend my arms more. If I extend them more then my splits on longer targets are much shorter but I loose fine control that can affect accuracy. I'm starting to experiment with different amounts of flex/straight for different target arrays/stages. It seems to work so far but I have not had much opportunity to try it as I can only shoot once per week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GentlemanJim Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 Dave Re gave me a little training on this Burn some ammo while trying different angles in the elbows...watch the dot Do the same raising and lowering the elbows...again watch the dot You will find a sweet spot Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerTrace Posted October 1, 2009 Author Share Posted October 1, 2009 Dave Re gave me a little training on this Burn some ammo while trying different angles in the elbows...watch the dot Do the same raising and lowering the elbows...again watch the dot You will find a sweet spot Jim That is what I thought. I just need to burn some ammo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn Knight Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 Shawn, I thought the only thing you noticed about your open gun was the dust it is collecting. It has seen a rebirth in draw practice recently... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benos Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 Dave Re gave me a little training on this Burn some ammo while trying different angles in the elbows...watch the dot Do the same raising and lowering the elbows...again watch the dot You will find a sweet spot Jim There ye go. Experiment, and find what works best for you. be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TM262 Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 I think it is part personal preference and part body style. My elbows are double jointed and I cannot shoot with straight arms. Mine are always slightly bent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasOPM Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 Mine are always bent, but I tend to hold my Open gun a lot looser than my Production gun- thus causing a bit more bend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boz1911 Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 Videos show me shooting arms extended but looks like some experimentation is in order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XRe Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 You don't notice the sights moving on your limited gun because the irons aren't as obvious as the dot - the movement is there. Grip/stance setup (all facets, including arm angles) will most importantly affect recoil control and the consistency of dot/sight movement in recoil. You can accept some movement of the dot/sights on target (refer to "wobble zone" - even the bullseye guys deal with it) - but a gun that moves inconsistently is not going to be shootable - and most of that is due to grip/stance... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Di Vita Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 This is an interesting topic. I am fairly notorious for having a very pronounced bend in my arms. I would venture to say the bend doesn't matter so much as making sure you have good muscular-skeletal tension for returning the gun back to the target as quickly as possible. It's very easy to get lazy - especially when shooting Open. I firmly believe this to be a major cause of all the malfunctions I've had while competing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benny hill Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 My arms are bent about 20-30 degrees at the elbow. Does'nt mean I will hit anything, just the way I do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LPatterson Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 Did notice at the Nationals that Open shooters have more bend to their elbows than Limited/Production shooters. Open shooters also had more malfunctions but I thought it was the gun, now I can see where it might have been arm position and light recoil springs. Most of the malfs were feeding problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benos Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 There's a greater distance between the bore and the sights with optics than there is with iron sights. So I think it's somewhat natural to bend your arms a bit more with an optic sight that you would with irons. Some guys can shoot fairly stiff-armed with irons, and it looks okay. But a stiff-armed Open shooter just looks awkward. be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boz1911 Posted October 3, 2009 Share Posted October 3, 2009 I played with this today in practice. Running the same COF with arms bent as opposed to fully extended showed promising results. The pairs of shots shooting with relaxed arms were almost always 1-2 inches whereas with arms locked they were running 3-5 inches. Trick of the day?? Don't know yet, but it did feel fairly comfortable and I can see where it might relieve tension thereby allowing unrestricted trigger manipulation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerTrace Posted October 3, 2009 Author Share Posted October 3, 2009 I tried it this week, just shooting into the backstop and watching the dot. I THINK it will be better, but I need a lot more live fire practice to be sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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