sandman_sy Posted June 29, 2009 Share Posted June 29, 2009 (edited) Im planning to set up a competitioin rifle.. some of my friends is going to the Open Category path ... but just for kicks.. i'd like to make a standard category rifle... meaning iron sights.. but is it possible to hit 4"x4" plates at 300 yards?? ouchh... What does the top players on this category use??? My eyes are still good, until i have visibility issues, i'd like to try the standard path Edited June 29, 2009 by sandman_sy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h2osport Posted June 29, 2009 Share Posted June 29, 2009 I do not know about 4x4 plates at 300 yards, but I like the KNS Precision front sight posts. I run one on my PTR-91 and my armalite ar-15. The other day I was sighting in at 300 on a 6" sight and see and I put 4/5 on the plate. I am sure there are plenty of shooters who can shoot the irons better than that, but it is good enough for me. On the PTR I am using the standard rear turret sight. On my AR I have the Matech flip up. Randy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbrowndog Posted June 29, 2009 Share Posted June 29, 2009 I've not been to a match that required anyone to hit a 4" x4" plate at 300yds. most targets are in the 3moa size, at least. I prefer to shot the stock post thinned to about .035, along with the stock rear. trapr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan 45 Posted June 29, 2009 Share Posted June 29, 2009 (edited) A 4" plate at 300 should be bonus points or something. I have pretty good vision, but I'd need that plate moved in about 100 yards before I would feel like I even had a chance of hitting it. Edited June 29, 2009 by Bryan 45 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kellyn Posted June 29, 2009 Share Posted June 29, 2009 Most if not all the top iron shooters have several things in common: 1) The use of a post front sight as opposed to crosshairs or apetures. I think it's because the post is the most versatile front sight. Some use front sights with fiber optic inserts, some don't 2) That post is skinny! 3) Extended sight radius. The front sight is mounted just to the rear of the comp. Some shooters are even using 22inch plus barrels to get even more sight radius. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandman_sy Posted June 30, 2009 Author Share Posted June 30, 2009 (edited) Extended sight radius... a very good point to consider.. i was going for 16" but looks like i need a 20" heheheh.. I just got back from a shoot this weekend that required us to hit a 4x4" at 230 yards.. i could barely see the plate if not for the black cardboard as a backdrop.. good thing i was using optics.. but damn that was far. escpecially when the shadow casted over it.. i had to squint my good eye to see it without the optic. But i had a feeling there was a lot of cursing on the standard division shooting there. There's the challenge ... heheheh... I like the idea of a post front sight.. but what size ?? i heard there's a lot of front post sizes and im not sure that getting a super skinny post will be a good idea at a CQB stage (which is a long course(heavy on points)). The shoot that i attended just this weekend had 2 CQB(32-34 rounds) and 4 Precision(10-24 rounds). It was a blast but i felt if i had irons.. i better have a VERY GOOD front post Edited June 30, 2009 by sandman_sy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtm Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 Sandman; I noticed that several of your countrymen are going to the Euro Rifle Championships. Just have them look up Kelly or Trapr or Kurt, or Robby Johnson and take a few photos of real iron sight rifles for you. Since they are R.O.ing the match it should be easy enough to find the 4 of us In general you DO NOT want a front sight bigger than .050 and I like smaller just like the other 3 mentioned above. For CQB this is PLEANTY big to be seen fast and yet small enough to be very precise. I would listen to some of these guys as they are the premire iron sight shooters in the U.S. Here is a good example of an extended sight radius AR-15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steel1212 Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 Sandman;I noticed that several of your countrymen are going to the Euro Rifle Championships. Just have them look up Kelly or Trapr or Kurt, or Robby Johnson and take a few photos of real iron sight rifles for you. Since they are R.O.ing the match it should be easy enough to find the 4 of us In general you DO NOT want a front sight bigger than .050 and I like smaller just like the other 3 mentioned above. For CQB this is PLEANTY big to be seen fast and yet small enough to be very precise. I would listen to some of these guys as they are the premire iron sight shooters in the U.S. Here is a good example of an extended sight radius AR-15 Might want to make the picture bigger than the thumbnail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandman_sy Posted June 30, 2009 Author Share Posted June 30, 2009 (edited) Sandman;I noticed that several of your countrymen are going to the Euro Rifle Championships. Just have them look up Kelly or Trapr or Kurt, or Robby Johnson and take a few photos of real iron sight rifles for you. Since they are R.O.ing the match it should be easy enough to find the 4 of us In general you DO NOT want a front sight bigger than .050 and I like smaller just like the other 3 mentioned above. For CQB this is PLEANTY big to be seen fast and yet small enough to be very precise. I would listen to some of these guys as they are the premire iron sight shooters in the U.S. Here is a good example of an extended sight radius AR-15 Wow.. you guys werent kidding with extended sight radius thing heheheh... won't the muzzle blast shake loose the front post it being so close to the comp?? What brand is the rear?? can't see coz the pic is too small Edited June 30, 2009 by sandman_sy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbrowndog Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 sandman, if the target was not painted a contrasting color to the background, or if there had been no backer that would have just been MEAN. but with a backer and contrasting color such a shot at 230ish yards is doable provided you can see the target, or at least know exactly where it is. as Kurt said, several of us will be at ERC, a camera and a friend is all you need. Trapr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike_pinto Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 (edited) something like this Kurt? Edited June 30, 2009 by mike_pinto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandman_sy Posted June 30, 2009 Author Share Posted June 30, 2009 (edited) something like this Kurt? Looks like a LMT Rear Sight?? http://www.rainierarms.com/?page=shop/deta...;product_id=265 I love that rear.. looking for one.. but most sights are "notify me" I'm thinking of this for a front sight...Arms 41B Folding Front Sight Tower http://www.rainierarms.com/?page=shop/deta...product_id=1284 one of the doubts i have is the part that it is a flip up(meaning moving parts) once you flip it down.. it wont be as exact when you flip it up again... true?? any suggestions??? Edited June 30, 2009 by sandman_sy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbrowndog Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 rigid sights are better, simply because they are.....................rigid!!! the flippy ones will move. I've used a sight block with a clamp on sight and it worked great but having that many moving parts was making me nervous, I've since gone to solid one piece rigid sights. the rear is a clamp on, i like YHM, or DPMS but make sure and get the full range of elevation and having 1/2 moa clicks is nice. Trapr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandman_sy Posted June 30, 2009 Author Share Posted June 30, 2009 so tentative choice: Rigid front sights and LMT rear tactical opinions?? reactions?? heheh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan 45 Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 My brother in law just put a JP front sight base on his Sabre fluted barrel. It worked great, clamped it nice and tight. (JP cat #JPGS-2FS) I took an A2 front sight base and just drilled and tapped it for (4) set screws. I haven't mounted it yet, but I think it will work well too out on the end of a barrel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Tischauser Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 (edited) I have an upper comimg next week from Firebird and I need a front site. Jim suggested I ask you guys as you're the best. I like Mike Pintos JP front setup but I can't find one in stock. Are there alternatives? Jim suggested mounting on top of a dummy gas block. What brand should I look at there? Also can you buy skinny front posts or is it just the same to file it down? I am just leary of my fililng skills is what's holding me back. How skinny should I go if I get the file out? Edited July 20, 2009 by Slammer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbrowndog Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 Slammer its much easier to put the post in a drillpress chuck and then take a dremel cutoff wheel and thin it, turn the drill press on and place the cutoff wheel inline with the post. if you can't get it done I can send pinto back with one from RM3G, it will cost you, but you're getting a SG rear sight from me as well. trapr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aircooled6racer Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 Hello: Listen to these guys since they are some of the best iron sight shooters in the world in 3-gun. You could also turn down the front sight in a lathe. I would start with 0.050 then you could turn it down further. Or you could just buy a couple of front posts and turn them down to different sizes. Both kurt and Trapper helped me when I thought I could use iron sights. I ended up using a scope after I realized I could'nt see with the iron sights Now I just have to learn to shoot with a scope Thanks, Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1911vm Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 My daughter just started shooting small bore and my friend is big in to high power. And all the shooters in both use some type of cross hairs not post. I am still new to rifles but what I decided to do is cross hairs KNS or JP style on the front and a JP side mount, iron sites for short distains. How does this configuration sounds? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbrowndog Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 (edited) crosshairs work fine with a nice BIG round black dot downrange, but they tend to cover up too much of the target when it becomes a small multi colored, square or circle. I have tried both crosshairs and aperture style in a JP globe and have gone back to a post because it does not obscure the target at all. When the crosshair gets thin enough for decent use then it becomes too thin to pick up quickly against a mottled background at long range. Trapr Edited July 25, 2009 by bigbrowndog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandro Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 Good topic. I hope there is a FN Fal shooter out there. Does anyone know if there are better sights for the FN Fal? I think DSA makes a rear "A1" but I am looking for A2 or something better... DVC, Sandro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidwiz Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 Good topic. I hope there is a FN Fal shooter out there. Does anyone know if there are better sights for the FN Fal? I think DSA makes a rear "A1" but I am looking for A2 or something better...DVC, Sandro DSA has a "Hampton" receiver with a A2 rear sight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAZZ Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 On your rear sights, are you guys using a standard A2 aperture, or a smaller diameter hole NM (non-hooded) rear? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbrowndog Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 standard hole size. when you get smaller it sux during morning and evening, or heavy clouds, or heavy shade. Trapr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtm Posted August 1, 2009 Share Posted August 1, 2009 By the By Trapr your rear sight BLOWS!! order a G.I. rear sight from Fulton as soon as you can, maybe we can put it in at Raton! The rest of the rifle turned out GREAT!! KurtM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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