MikeFoley Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?...mp;#entry998680 Check out the original thread which was closed. Should have been in this section, I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Dunn Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 No experience, looks similar to the NP3 or whatever POF is coating their AR parts with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeFoley Posted June 15, 2009 Author Share Posted June 15, 2009 Jason's original post: I saw an ad for Fail Zero in my American Rifleman magazine and I was curious if anyone has any real life experience with their products. I don't know if it works but it seems like a cool idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasmap Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 Jason's original post:I saw an ad for Fail Zero in my American Rifleman magazine and I was curious if anyone has any real life experience with their products. I don't know if it works but it seems like a cool idea. Mike. I still haven't spoken to anyone with any hands on experience but I have received some word-of-mouth responses that it's similar to NP3. You may be the 1st one to test it for this site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidwiz Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 They claim that it "eliminates the need to apply oil or grease to treated parts for the life of the weapon." That I would like to see. Why not use it in an engine - save yourself all those oil changes and wear and tear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpeltier Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 I have two of them. They do feel pretty slippery to the touch with no lube on them. I do not/will not run them dry though (I just can't bring myself to do that). Operationally they work just fine. The included hammer is coated with the same stuff. They do clean really easy, probably the best feature of the coating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sniperfrog Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 They claim that it "eliminates the need to apply oil or grease to treated parts for the life of the weapon." That I would like to see. Why not use it in an engine - save yourself all those oil changes and wear and tear. I don't own one of these but on a few other forums they have been talked about with positive reviews. Chris Costa, of Magpul Dynamics, has been running one of these BCGs in a carbine for 3500 rounds now without any lube and hasn't had any malfunctions. This is during extended, often rapid fire shooting scenarios. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeFoley Posted July 16, 2009 Author Share Posted July 16, 2009 Well, it finally arrived today. It is a mil-spec BCG, tool marks and all, coated in something that is thinner than hardchrome, but quite slippery feeling. The hammer was kinda rough, not polished, and took a few dry fires and re-charges to feel better. The coating has some thickness too it as the bolt is tight in the carrier with standard 3 piece rings. The entire group is coated evenly. The instructions say to use a stainless steel brush to clean it, honestly, and that any solvent or cleaner is safe as well. I cannot wait to shoot it a few hundred rounds to see how it feels with and without the suppressor. I am going to run it in an 18" rifle in front of a standard carbine buffer and ISMI spring. I will report my findings here occasionally, but it will be at least 4-5 days before I can shoot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpeltier Posted July 16, 2009 Share Posted July 16, 2009 (edited) Did you order the basic Bolt carrier kit or the Extreme Duty kit with Exo coated upper reciever? I still cant bear to run mine dry in a standard reciever, as I have the Basic kits. If my upper were coated I would be running it pretty dry. Here is a link to the website http://www.failzero.com with info on the EXO coating. How did you measure the thickness to determine it is thinner than hardchrome? Edited July 16, 2009 by mpeltier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeFoley Posted July 16, 2009 Author Share Posted July 16, 2009 Did you order the basic Bolt carrier kit or the Extreme Duty kit with Exo coated upper reciever? I still cant bear to run mine dry in a standard reciever, as I have the Basic kits. If my upper were coated I would be running it pretty dry. Here is a link to the website http://www.failzero.com with info on the EXO coating. How did you measure the thickness to determine it is thinner than hardchrome? I got the basic kit with the BCG and the hammer. It seems wrong to run it in this new dry reciever, so I put a little oil on the buffer tube rim. I didn't measure it, but my experience with hardchrome tells me it fills in minor crevices, and I see every single tool mark in this bolt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Conley Posted July 17, 2009 Share Posted July 17, 2009 No Balls!!!! Run it dry in that new Noveske! Where's the spirit of trying something new. If you give it to me I'll run it dry till failure. All kidding put aside, let us know how it holds up and any issues that you have with it. Do you guys carry them and if so what's the cost? Chris C. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSMITH Posted July 17, 2009 Share Posted July 17, 2009 Hurry up and beat the shite out of that thing Mike, 30K rounds ought to be good. I need a couple BCG's and this one looks good to me, so let me know how it works at the end of the month when you finish the 30K rounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caz41 Posted October 14, 2010 Share Posted October 14, 2010 (edited) Reviving this old thread instead of starting a new one. Any updates on how these are working out? Any more people tried one? Or should I just go with the JP Low Mass and call it a day? Edited October 14, 2010 by caz41 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IPSC_RUS Posted November 4, 2010 Share Posted November 4, 2010 itresting coating kinda slippery feeling toolmarks inside, like it was done at some old warsaw pact factory shoots fine, but I just can't shoot it without lubrication, not my way =) burned about 3000 rounds with it of Barnaul ammo everything ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMAC Posted November 8, 2010 Share Posted November 8, 2010 Reviving this old thread instead of starting a new one. Any updates on how these are working out? Any more people tried one? Or should I just go with the JP Low Mass and call it a day? I like all my ARs including a couple Noveske rifles, but when I was at the range this weekend rechecking zero in my JP CTR-02, it leaves me wanting no other. The sound and feel of the bolt slamming forward is unlike any of my other ARs. It's like the exhaust note of a Ferrari, unmistakably unique and a thing of beauty. Get the JP Buffer Spring and Low Mass Buffer while you are at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaredr Posted November 9, 2010 Share Posted November 9, 2010 maybe unconstructive here if we're talking about merits/performance of failzero coating, but i've never had any problems with quality ar parts and generous lubrication. failzero product may work well and have some use in environments/applications where lubrication burns off too quickly (trying to avoid ATAS armchair commando speculation), but so far i've always had good luck with mil-spec bcg and fire control parts and just lube the heck out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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