40 S&W and Solo 1000

[SA Friday]

So, Greg Lent was at the Pueblo, CO match yesterday with his chrono. He was giving everyone a chance to chrono their loads in his box. For those of you not in the know, Greg is Chrono-man and does most of the area match and the nationals chrono'ing.

The 4.7gr solo 1000 loads with 180 BBI's Chronoed 173pf out of my BHFF and 168.6pf out of my STI Edge. That's pretty much what I got from my cheap $99 chrono too. Nice.

Hopefully, next Sat's weather is good and I can get some initial chrono data with the 170 precisions.

[uscbigdawg]

Make sure you get a chance to chrono them loads at/near sea level especially if you're going to Nat's. BTW...welcome home.

Rich

[SA Friday]

Make sure you get a chance to chrono them loads at/near sea level especially if you're going to Nat's. BTW...welcome home.

Rich

Thanks, and ya, some of my loads from MD are HOT up here in the thin air

[fortyshooter]

Well, after years of pushing 200gr Billy Bullets with 4.2g of N320 through my Para 16-40LTD. I drank the cool-aide and called Benny for a Fat-Free 6".

Here's some of the first loads that I used to pop the cherry on this blaster.

170gr Precision

OAL 1.180

mixed brass

WSP's

BHFF 6"

4.2gr Solo 1000

Average Vel:932.7

Stdev:12.3

PF: 158.5

4.6gr Solo 1000

Average Vel:1009.3

Stdev:9.9

PF: 171.5

Elevation:~1500ft

Air Temp: 97 F

Gonna Try the major load in a match tomorrow to see how this bad boy handles.

[SA Friday]

Interesting results. I also finally got to chrono some loads out of the BHFF with 170 Precisions today. Weather was in the 90's, no clouds, aprox 5,600' elevation. Here are the results:

170gr Precisions

1.2 OAL

mixed brass

4.8gr Solo 1000

Wolf Small Rifle Primers

967 fps average

164.3pf

170gr Precisions

1.2 OAL

mixed brass

4.9gr Solo 1000

Wolf Small Rifle Primers

982 fps average

166.9pf

170gr Precisions

1.2 OAL

mixed brass

4.9gr Solo 1000

Fed Small Pistol Primers

979 fps average

165.9pf

170gr Precisions

1.2 OAL

mixed brass

4.9gr Solo 1000

Rem Small Pistol Primers

992 fps average

168.6pf

No pressure issues with any of the loads, and wasn't even close to serious pressure signs. The Rem primers seemed to bump up the velocity, and did see a little flatter primer from them. All of my loads were individually weighted, so Std Deviations were all 10 or lower except the Rem primers which seem to fluxuate more than any other primer out there for some reason.

I'm probably looking at 5.1or 5.2gr of Solo 1000 to be where I want to be for pf.

[sargenv]

I didn't do any exaustive studying of 40 S&W and Solo 1000. I fired a few rounds over a chrono the other day to see if I made major. I was in a hurry and only had a few over the chrono, but I found that I was making major.

Bullet weight = 185gr

Bullet type = .401 sized Lead Round Nose (Cast to 20 BHN)

Mixed cases

RP SP primers

4.5 gr Solo 1000

3 rounds fired = 173 PF avg

This is what is surprising... This is out of a 3 7/8" 610.

If I can get to the range I'll do some further chrono'ing and see what my ES, max, and mins are. Bullets seated way long, about 1.240". I was starting to get signs of high pressure.

[rk272]

At Area 5 Saturday out of a 5" XD

180gr MG fmj

5.0 Solo 1000

1.140 oal

Fed spm

175.4 pf

[SA Friday]

Hmmm. I'm going to shorten the length of some future loads with the same charge and see what happens. I get the distinct impression that Solo 1000 is affected by OAL moreso than many other powders.

[rupie]

I did some solo testing today for minor G35 68 deg. F

185 precision

3.2 solo 1000

758

754

764

757

725

762

771

758

749

754

133 pf

185 precision

3.5 solo 1000

794

784

787

782

798

781

794

794

791

793

144pf

185 precision

3.7 solo 1000

816

813

823

807

804

813

812

798

814

809

147pf

185 precision

4.4 solo 1000

906

897

901

894

903

872

998

884

951

899

163pf

3.2 solo 1000

165 rnfp TCJ

708

730

742

698

724

711

738

717

721

735

155 pf

Edited July 4, 2009 by rupie

[justforfun]

Finally got to try some Solo 1000 in 40. loads were fired form a G35 with after market barrel.

4.0 gr

185 precisions

1.135 AOL

mixed brass

Avg Vel 854.8

ES 45.03

SD 12.6

4.2 gr

185 precisions

1.135 AOL

mixed brass

Ave Vel 879.8

ES 23.52

SD 7.93

4.4 gr

185 precisions

1.135 AOL

mixed brass

Ave Vel 908

ES 26.09

SD 8.18

4.4 gr

180 lead TC

1.135

mixed brass

Ave Vel 937.6

ES 24.55

SD 8.94

I think I will go up to 4.5 gr and call it good. All loads gave exceptable accuracy and the smoke was less than the titegroup I've been using. I did not have any sings of excess pressure. I think this will be a good powder for 40 and has given good results in 45 also. How does Solo 1000 react to temp changes?

[SA Friday]

Chrono'ed some more 170 Precisions today. All charges were weighed, SD was 9. Chrono was checked for accuracy with previously chrone'ed rounds. The checked rounds were chrono'ed through Chrono-mans box, so it's the one that counts.

170gr Precision

5.0gr Solo 1000

1.185 OAL

Wolf small rifle primers

mixed brass

1017 fps average from 10 rounds

172.89 pf

OAL makes a difference in pf. This previous mix was tested with an OAL of 1.2 and 4.9gr of Solo 1000 and was 166.9pf. Previous testing showed pretty linear pf rise from .1gr more. The difference between 4.8 and 4.9gr of Solo 1000 was 2.6pf. The shortened length added roughly 3.39pf to the load.

My BHFF shoots 1.185 length ammo just fine. I think I may very well call this load good and shoot the case of bullets with it. The extra pf will ensure it will also make pf out of my 5" STI.

The round was a tad more snappy than the 180's I've been shooting, but not enough to really care about. I can see why a lot of 6" shooters prefer the lighter bullets. There's very little difference in feel, and the bullets are cheaper. The slide did cycle faster too.

Oh ya, no considerable pressure signs at all. Primers looked well rounded on the edges, very little flattening at all.

[CHA-LEE]

SA Friday> You are a chronoing mad man!!! Pick a load that works and feels how you want it to and build up a boat load of rounds to have fun with. You are going to wear out your $99 Chronograph if you keep up this pace of load fiddling

Plus think of all the sad bullets that only get to see your barrel and the berm with no paper or steel between the two. I am going to call the bullet abuse tipster hotline and rat you out

[Merlin Orr]

Got a little supply of 170 Precisions in and started load development today. Changed calibers on a press this afternoon and just had time to do one string....

170 Precision Black Bullet @ OAL ~ 1.185-1.19 (with a tad more crimp than I will end up with) Mixed brass & Win SP primers.

4.8 of Solo 1000

1024 average out of my Benny Built 6" .40 for 174 PF. I am at 100' above sea level here at my home outside of Corpus Christi TX and it was around 95 degrees. The sun was on the horizan so I have reservations as to the accuracy of the chrony but it usually is close to the match chronos ...

Recoil was snappy but the "flip" of the gun was not much and I could keep the front blade in my vision throughout the recoil impulse. I will go to 4.7 and if it ends up around ~170 pf I am going to call it My Load.... The wind, as usual, was about 20+ mph so I have no clue as to smoke are lack thereof...

Oh yea... Dumped a complete mag full in about 3 seconds and I could actually touch the barrel without forming a blister.... Much different than TG...

[spankymac]

Does anyone have in input using Solo 1000 w/ Precision Delta 180gr FMJ load for a Glock 24 / Para Limited.

Thanks,

Banks

[SA Friday]

Does anyone have in input using Solo 1000 w/ Precision Delta 180gr FMJ load for a Glock 24 / Para Limited.

Thanks,

Banks

Pretty sure these two guns will REQUIRE two different rounds of different OAL to run reliably. This will affect the amount of powder required to make pf.

[spankymac]

Does anyone have in input using Solo 1000 w/ Precision Delta 180gr FMJ load for a Glock 24 / Para Limited.

Thanks,

Banks

Pretty sure these two guns will REQUIRE two different rounds of different OAL to run reliably. This will affect the amount of powder required to make pf.

Yes they will: Currently using TG and it's like following behind the mosquito spray truck (Glock 1.130 4.5gr 174PF and the Para 1.160 4.8gr 171PF). The Loads work great with JHP or CMJ but not FMJ.

Banks

[SA Friday]

I haven't loaded for either with Solo 1000, but I would suspect most of the loads being discussed would be in the ball park for the Para length. Most S_I's are being ran with an OAL of 1.185 to 1.2. At 1.16 OAL, I suspect you will be looking at .2ish less powder for the same velocity as an S-_I.

With the Glock, I would start much much lower, like 3.9 to 4.0gr and work up.

As always, regardless of the data you see here from other guns, every gun is different. Be safe, work up, and use the posted loads as a guesstimation to help you narrow down the range you should be in.

[furyalecto]

Older topic, but someone asked about a Para & I just worked up a load & ran them through. I had loaded lower based on the numbers found here & elsewhere, but I was not making major pf consistently.

Para Ordnance P16.40 Limited 5".

180gr Montana Gold FMJ

5.3gr Solo 1000

1.18 OAL

Magtech small pistol primers

Winchester & Blazer range brass

952 fps average from 30 rounds

171.36 pf

It was about 65 degrees in the range.

Edited December 31, 2009 by furyalecto

[HCShooter]

Bringing this back to the top. I chrono'd some rounds recently with S1000 and 180gn precission delta FMJ's.

OAL 1.125"

Fired from a Glock 22

About 30 degrees out

4.5gn 10 round average yielded 865FPS or a 155PF

4.7 gn 5 round average yielded 888FPS or a 159PF

I know the FMJ's are going to take a little more powder to get up to speed, but I am thus far dissappointed in my results. With the shorter length I was sure I'd hit PF.

I've put together 2 more loads to test out. 4.9gn and 5gn with the same bullets and primers. The longer length you guys are running is starting to make me worry a bit that I might be getting close to an over pressure situation. If my measurements are correct, the bullet isn't compressing, but is sitting right on the powder with these loads. Makes me nervous. If I fire one, and the primer shows any signs of pressure, I'm going to just pull the bullets and abandon this powder for .40 major with FMJ's

[twodownzero]

Mine flattens primers slightly at 4.9 grains of Solo 1000 with a 180 grain Bear Creek Supply moly bullet. This is out a 5" STI Eagle. I have not chronoed them yet.

[DWFAN]

Mine flattens primers slightly at 4.9 grains of Solo 1000 with a 180 grain Bear Creek Supply moly bullet. This is out a 5" STI Eagle. I have not chronoed them yet.

OAL ?

[ben b.]

I load to 1.125", and it takes me 4.8 gr S1000 with 180 gr lead to make a ~172 PF. I think you are low on powder. IIRC, I have gone as high as as 5.2 gr, w/ lead and did see primers start flattening but no case signs of pressure problems.

Personally, my guess is that S1000 with FMJ in std length .40 is running close to the border. You could run out the length some and still fit in the Glock mags, right? Up to 1.135 or so?

Bringing this back to the top. I chrono'd some rounds recently with S1000 and 180gn precission delta FMJ's.

OAL 1.125"

Fired from a Glock 22

About 30 degrees out

4.5gn 10 round average yielded 865FPS or a 155PF

4.7 gn 5 round average yielded 888FPS or a 159PF

I know the FMJ's are going to take a little more powder to get up to speed, but I am thus far dissappointed in my results. With the shorter length I was sure I'd hit PF.

I've put together 2 more loads to test out. 4.9gn and 5gn with the same bullets and primers. The longer length you guys are running is starting to make me worry a bit that I might be getting close to an over pressure situation. If my measurements are correct, the bullet isn't compressing, but is sitting right on the powder with these loads. Makes me nervous. If I fire one, and the primer shows any signs of pressure, I'm going to just pull the bullets and abandon this powder for .40 major with FMJ's

[HCShooter]

I pulled my notes back out on the previously chrono'd rounds. I specifically noted at 4.7gn that I had zero pressure signs.

As far as taking OAL up, I can go up to about 1.140 and still work in the mag's (at least I can with my old one's not sure on the new style). I'm going to give these a try on Sunday. I'll report back my findings.

[HCShooter]

I took my 5.0gn loads out to 1.150". That is the absolute max on the magazines. All feed fine at that length. Leaving the 4.9gn load at the standard 1.125". With no primer flattening at 4.7gn, I'm telling myself that I'll be good

Will chrono this afternoon as long as the weather holds out.

[twodownzero]

Mine flattens primers slightly at 4.9 grains of Solo 1000 with a 180 grain Bear Creek Supply moly bullet. This is out a 5" STI Eagle. I have not chronoed them yet.

OAL ?

That was at 1.200". They were actually a bit too long for my barrel so I'm going to shorten them a bit. The primers weren't totally flat. The edges were still round, but some obvious flattening of the center portion was there. Another .2-.3 grains and i bet they'd be totally flattened like a magnum pistol load.