Pittbug Posted March 29, 2009 Share Posted March 29, 2009 My para sometimes locks the slide back with a round still left in the mag. This happened during a match yesterday, so I just ejected the mag, popped in a fresh one and continued. When the stage was done, someone pointed out the round left in the mag and wanted the SO to issue a procedural. I explained that the gun was at slidelock, which the SO accepted, since another shooter verified. Should I have gotten the procedural? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astephenson Posted March 29, 2009 Share Posted March 29, 2009 Yes...gotta enforce the rulebook consistently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Thomas Posted March 29, 2009 Share Posted March 29, 2009 No. You're allowed to drop a loaded mag while clearing a malfunction. In this case, the gun malfunctioned when it slidelocked prematurely. Believing the gun was empty, you popped the mag out, inserted a fresh one and dropped the slide - in the process clearing the malfunction. No procedural. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmitchl Posted March 29, 2009 Share Posted March 29, 2009 It depends. In most of the matches I've shot it is a PE. If this is ruled as a malfunction then someone will aquire the skill to hit the slide lock at the right time to reload when best for them. If the SO is convinced it was a truly a gun malfunction as opposed to a shooter malfunction - no PE. Normally magazines can be adjusted to avoid premature slide lock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Nesbitt Posted March 29, 2009 Share Posted March 29, 2009 (edited) What Duane said. No PE. Edit to add, congratulations on your CDP win. Edited March 29, 2009 by Bill Nesbitt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe4d Posted March 29, 2009 Share Posted March 29, 2009 The "someone" probably needs to be told to shut his mouth and mind his own business. Matches are scored by the SO not the peanut gallery. The premature slidelock is a malfunction so no procedural should be issued. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gb32 Posted March 29, 2009 Share Posted March 29, 2009 I heartily endorse what Joe said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pittbug Posted March 29, 2009 Author Share Posted March 29, 2009 Thanks for the clarification guys, it was definitely a gun malfunction. I really need to get my mags figured out because it's getting annoying. I never know how many I can put through the pipe before it locks back, which really messes with my head. On the bright side, it keeps me on my toes and lets me adapt to the situation. Thx Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronEqualizer Posted March 29, 2009 Share Posted March 29, 2009 It depends. In most of the matches I've shot it is a PE. If this is ruled as a malfunction then someone will aquire the skill to hit the slide lock at the right time to reload when best for them. If someone can possibly learn to do that on demand while shooting a course of fire then they are way above the skill level needed to use that skill. AL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe4d Posted March 29, 2009 Share Posted March 29, 2009 slide stop probably needs to be tuned. A dimple where the detent pin sets will help, also load some mags with your ammo, remove the slide and barrel, put the slide stop in slowly insert the loaded magazine. You should be able to see where the rounds are hitting, This area can be dressed so the rounds clear it but the follower still activates the slidelock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pittbug Posted March 29, 2009 Author Share Posted March 29, 2009 Thanks Joe I'll try that out tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trail3 Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 Common problem with Para's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Thomas Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 Normally magazines can be adjusted to avoid premature slide lock. In my experience it's a matter of modifying the slide stop, not the magazines. Brownells actually sells a tool for locating and cutting a detent to the slide stop, for exactly this reason, to cure premature slidelock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Thomas Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 If this is ruled as a malfunction then someone will aquire the skill to hit the slide lock at the right time to reload when best for them. That's reaching, IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jane Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 If this is ruled as a malfunction then someone will aquire the skill to hit the slide lock at the right time to reload when best for them. That's reaching, IMHO. I've seen premature slidelock (or gun empty and no slidelock) all too often on Glock 34s and 35s that have the extended slide stop lever. Too easy for a thumb to graze it at the wrong time. (I've swapped the regular levers into my 34 and 35). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdmoore Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 Here's a previous post on it. http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=66735 IIRC, same conclusions as here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shooter59 Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 Do the rules allow for you to drop an empty mag with a round in the chamber when the CoF DOES NOT call for a reload with retention or tac reload? Apologies in advance if this is thread hijacking..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregg K Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 Do the rules allow for you to drop an empty mag with a round in the chamber when the CoF DOES NOT call for a reload with retention or tac reload? Apologies in advance if this is thread hijacking..... No, if you are not at slide lock you must retain the magazine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdmoore Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 Do the rules allow for you to drop an empty mag with a round in the chamber when the CoF DOES NOT call for a reload with retention or tac reload? Apologies in advance if this is thread hijacking..... No, if you are not at slide lock you must retain the magazine. I'm going to nit pick just a little. The gun/chamber AND mag must be empty in order to drop and leave the mag while reloading. (Clearing a malfunction is different) The minor difference from what Gregg stated is that you COULD have the gun not lock back on an empty mag (and thus an empty chamber and mag but slide forward). You would not be required to retain a mag if that's the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pittbug Posted April 2, 2009 Author Share Posted April 2, 2009 joe4d/duane I took the slide off, inserted a mag with dummies and looked closely at what was going on. The rounds are not touching the slidestop, so that's ok. But there's no dimple in the slide stop so I think it's riding up under recoil and locking the slide back. Thanks for the pointers, I really appreciate it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Nesbitt Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 I just fixed a 1911 9mm that was locking back with one round in the mag. I put a tiny dimple in the slide stop. Now it locks back when it should. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pittbug Posted April 2, 2009 Author Share Posted April 2, 2009 Bill, did you use a punch or a file? I have a small triangular file, I was thinking about filing a v shaped slot... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Nesbitt Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 I used a Dremel tool with a pointed stone. Not for the faint of heart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pittbug Posted April 2, 2009 Author Share Posted April 2, 2009 Ok thanks, I'll give it a go tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Nesbitt Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 Mine didn't take much of a dimple. Easier to take more off later than to put metal back on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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