Sarge Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 I posted earlier about 9mm Winchester primer pockets being a little tighter than other brass. I am looking for the perfect solution to this problem. I am guessing a pocket reamer will be all I need but I want a good one. I don't need any more machines cluttering up the bench so I am looking at manual tools. Any suggestions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasond Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 The two things I know about primer pockets are that military ones are crimped, which can be removed, and that the flash hole can be reamed to be uniform among cases. I don't personally reload military brass and can't use the accuracy the flash hole project will provide. Spend your dough on practice ammo, that's what will get you ahead. If the primers fit tight, all the better. They won't fall out. Don't worry about it. Any extra work will be a waste of time. I also shoot silhouette, but in this game, accuracy only need be so good. Of course you want confidence in your equipment, but I doubt many people even bother to sort brass. Load 'em and shoot 'em! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted March 25, 2009 Author Share Posted March 25, 2009 Maybe I need to clarify. I don't come accross much military brass. But alot of WIN brass I am getting are too tight for the primer to seat all the way. I want to ream them a little so they load as well as the rest of my brass. 1/2 of the brass I picked up this week alone was WIN brass so that is enough to make it worth the extra work of reaming it out. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maineshootah Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 Maybe I need to clarify. I don't come accross much military brass. But alot of WIN brass I am getting are too tight for the primer to seat all the way. I want to ream them a little so they load as well as the rest of my brass. 1/2 of the brass I picked up this week alone was WIN brass so that is enough to make it worth the extra work of reaming it out. Thanks If you are talking volume.. I can't say enough good things about the Dillon Swager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uscbigdawg Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 I would check your press/priming tool. I've found the opposite that Win brass is a bit more soft than R/P. However, if you're looking for a good uniformer (which is what I'd use instead of a swager) go for the Sinclair with drill attachment. Chuck the uniformer in to a drill and knock 'em out. Rich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. Manley Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 Maybe I need to clarify. I don't come accross much military brass. But alot of WIN brass I am getting are too tight for the primer to seat all the way. I want to ream them a little so they load as well as the rest of my brass. 1/2 of the brass I picked up this week alone was WIN brass so that is enough to make it worth the extra work of reaming it out. Thanks Another happy Dillon Super-Swage user but, I can't help but wonder if there isn't something else wrong. I can't imagine having to do anything to regular Winchester brass, I've found it very easy to prime. I did read a post somewhere about Winchester "subbing out" some cartridge work to S&B (which, DOES have tight pockets) some time ago so, maybe it was true...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgunz11 Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 Maybe the Win brass you are coming across is once fired or only fired minor and the other brands have been fired more or used in a 9 major and the primer pocket has expanded some. A primer pocket reamer is not going to make the hole wider, just make the pocket deeper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 If you are thinking of a reamer for 9mm Winchester brass....something is wrong. Is it regular "White Box"? Is it some type of NT brass? What primers? What reloading machine? What are you comparing it to? Speer brass? Maybe bring a handful or two to your next match, ready as you normally prepare it, and see if you can get an experienced 9mm loader to take it home and try it out. (Or mail me some. I'd be able to tell, real quick, if it was S&B derived.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIE107 Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 I get the feeling that he is thinking of a Primer Pocket Uniformer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Keen Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 Most folks loading PISTOL ammo at home never do any kind of brass prep. So I too would suspect something else is wrong here. WIN NT are the only Winchester brass that should be tight. Whenever I find a WIN NT case I just toss it. I dont see too many of them. But regular Winchester brass is great. Not tight at all, and more uniform than any other brand of brass out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted March 25, 2009 Author Share Posted March 25, 2009 Hey everybody thanks for all the input. This is all I know for sure. I load on a new 550. I use WSP . The following load smooth as silk, FC, RP, CCI Blazer, Speer, CCI, Most S&B, etc. But WIN will feel much tighter. If I get a high primer it is WIN brass. The fact is if I have an issue that stops my loading process it is due to WIN brass. Granted , I have mentioned before that maybe I am just afraid to keep pushing when it feels too tight. I got mixed opinions on that issue. I thought I had read that others have had some problems with primers seating crooked in Winchester brass. I will keep working on it. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIE107 Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 Yeah.. sounds to me that that run of Winnie brass didn't get the primer pockets cut deep enough. Using a uniformer will fix that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Keen Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 Whats weird here is I normally have no problems with WIN brass, but I DO have problems with FC & S&B. They are abnormally tight (with FC being the tighter of the 2) so I usually toss them too. FC for sure .... S&B I can usually deal with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin c Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 Sheesh, it seem like people's experiences are all over the place. I haven't had any problems loading Winchester small pistol primers into 9mm Win, NT or not. I also have been able to load FC w/o problems. S&B I've had occasional problems with. May be some of the manufacturers of both pistol brass and primers are occasionally subbing out production, and we end up dealing with the tolerance stack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgunz11 Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 Maybe it's more of a tolerance in primer dimensions. I recently experienced this in .40. Moved to a new batch of primers and my 1050 was not seating them fully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uscbigdawg Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 The only weird pockets I've found were with PMC, but after fixing my seating depth issue on the RL1050, all is well. Rich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 I've never had a primer go off by seating it hard. I have had one go off by the lip of the primer pocket catching the edge and "peeling" the side of the primer. Maybe bring a handful or two to your next match, ready as you normally prepare it, and see if you can get an experienced 9mm loader to take it home and try it out. (Or mail me some. I'd be able to tell, real quick, if it was S&B derived.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abn-rgr Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 Ive never seen problems with WIN. Like others have said, I think something else is amiss.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uscbigdawg Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 Since I don't a 550, is the primer seating depth adjustable like on a 1050? Maybe it's just a function of a tweak to that run or those cases versus the others. I'm reaching but it's worth a shot. Rich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BayouSlide Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 Will add my voice to the chorus that I NEVER had problems with Winchester brass...in fact, it's my gold standard that I use for set up and for match brass. S&B brass, on the other hand, is always easy to identify. It's the one that feels like something is wrong on the primer seating stroke on my 550B...always seats, but always requires twice the force of anything else. Curtis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgunz11 Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 No Rich, the 550 and 650 don't have an adjustment according to Dillon, only the 1050. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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