Lee Watne Posted June 18, 2003 Share Posted June 18, 2003 Who makes the hot setup for red dots these days on a flat top AR-15? You can spend from $100 to over $1000 on one. The Army seems to like Aimpoint and you can get them in two power magnification. Paralax at long range would be a bad thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loves2Shoot Posted June 18, 2003 Share Posted June 18, 2003 From from what I've seen and hear from people who shoot it the ACOG TA11 with the donut is the cat's meow. http://www.botachtactical.com/botach/trijacta1ser.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kellyn Posted June 18, 2003 Share Posted June 18, 2003 If we're talking about nonmagnifying reddots, the EoTech Holosight is the hot setup. I'd put the Aimpoints in second place. Nothing else comes close. ACOG TA11 is not really a "red dot sight." It's a scope with magnification (3.5-4X) with a fiber optic powered donut shaped reticle. There is a lot of info/debate/conversation about the ultimate AR15 sight setup in this forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benny hill Posted June 19, 2003 Share Posted June 19, 2003 C-MORE, cause you can see more of what to shoot at real fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhino Posted June 19, 2003 Share Posted June 19, 2003 Given that I'm a doofus who has never won anything . . . and that I used a discontinued Tasco PDP5CMP . . . I think the EoTech Holosight has an advantage in that you can get a 1 MOA reticle. I think the next smallest would be the 2 MOA you can get with C-Mores (I think!). Otherwise they are all reliable and rugged, etc. etc. I wish someone would make a 1 MOA dot with a 10 MOA donut around it. That would be cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtm Posted June 19, 2003 Share Posted June 19, 2003 Rhino: Some of the best "shooters" I have ever known haven't "won" anything. As for dots the Eotech is about the best, for a battery sight! The TA-11 is 3.5 power only, but Kelly seem to want it to be a 3.5-4x variable, must be a Arizona thing, and fiber optics can't power anything, but they sure can show you the light! KURT (disclaimer!!! this is jokeing with Kelly and should not be construed as a slight or slam on anyone or thing) D.R. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kellyn Posted June 19, 2003 Share Posted June 19, 2003 You mean my TA11 is not a variable! I had no idea! No wonder when I cranked on it, nothing happened. Thanks, DR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ironman Posted June 19, 2003 Share Posted June 19, 2003 I put an EO tech on my AR and saw a noticeable improvement on short shots once I got use to it. I was surprised that I could still hit steel at 200 yards as well as I could with my iron sites. I prefer the dot to the donut. Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted June 19, 2003 Share Posted June 19, 2003 Ok...which recticle? Does the "standard"...with the circle & dot...have a 1 MOA dot? How about the size of the circle with that one? Is it a 60 minute circle and a 1 minute dot? (EOtech, btw) Oh...and to give credit where due...the image came from http://www.lesales.com/products/holosight.htm I don't know anything about the company...just found the image with a google search. You might consider them if you are in the market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kellyn Posted June 19, 2003 Share Posted June 19, 2003 I've been using the standard reticle. I think it's more like a 2-3 MOA dot though despite what the advertising says. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SGDM Posted June 20, 2003 Share Posted June 20, 2003 The Aimpoint sight sucks! We have 75 of 'em and they are always broken. I have been using the EO Tech with the stadard reticle for 3 years and it is the Heat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xsrdx Posted June 20, 2003 Share Posted June 20, 2003 The Army calls the Aimpoint the "Close Combat Optic", or CCO. Feedback from SWA to date seems to indicate a preference for the ACOG NSN, given a choice between the two, primarily due to the ACOG's magnification and its battery free operation, FWIW. That may not have much to do with 3 Gun but I found it interesting. Most of the operator types that shoot 3 Gun seem to really like the EOTech, and it seems to be the 1X optic of choice. Some of the best "shooters" I have ever known haven't "won" anything Hey Kurt, you must be talking about me? LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Watne Posted June 20, 2003 Author Share Posted June 20, 2003 We had the All Guard Team (National Guard Super Squad) here last week end at a High Power match and they said the holographic sight had no noticable paralax but the ACOG did. They must have been talking about the EOTech. There are two models, the 510 and the 552. There must be more difference than the batteries for $90.00. Which one do you guys use? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhino Posted June 21, 2003 Share Posted June 21, 2003 Doesn't one have a little metal (aluminum) "frame" around it for added protection? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkgsmith Posted June 21, 2003 Share Posted June 21, 2003 The 552 is the NVG compatable model. It takes two AA batteries, but I believe both models have the metal hood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhino Posted June 22, 2003 Share Posted June 22, 2003 Here's a question . . . If I want to slap an EoTech on a flat top in front of, say, a GG&G flip-up A2 style rear sight or a chopped A2 carry handle . . . And I want the dot and irons to cowitness . . . Will I need to put the rear sight on a riser to get it at the same level as the EoTech? Or will they align "as is"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArturoJ Posted June 22, 2003 Share Posted June 22, 2003 My AR has a cut down carry handle behind the EOTech, they cowitness "as is". The cowitness thing is nice, but it does make things a bit busy. I want to try it for a while to see if "cowitnessing" has any use for me in 3gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THS Posted June 23, 2003 Share Posted June 23, 2003 There are 4 models. 2 use AA batteries, which make the housing longer. One is Night Vision compatibile, the other is not. The other 2 use N size batteries making the overall length anout an inch shorter. Again, one is NV Compatibile, the other is not. The AA runs about 400 hours per pair. The N version is about 100 hours. All 4 have the aluminum cage over the display area. Now, If I could get a way the change reticles a little to see what's best..... Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhino Posted June 23, 2003 Share Posted June 23, 2003 My AR has a cut down carry handle behind the EOTech, they cowitness "as is". The cowitness thing is nice, but it does make things a bit busy. I want to try it for a while to see if "cowitnessing" has any use for me in 3gun. My current car gun (a Bushmaster AK Shorty) has a Tasco PDP5CMP hanging from a gooseneck mount from the carry handle, so it is also inline with the iron sights. Now THAT is a busy sight picture because in addition to the dot and irons, the mount occupies most of the channel in the carry handle (your line of view to the irons). It's almost impossible for me to focus on the front sight with the dot turned off unless I use the small aperture on the rear. I'm going to replace it with a flat topped Bushmaster Super Lightweight Carbine if I can ever get one. Not having the carry handle and its mount will save weight and minimize clutter in the sight picture (I hope). I have a GG&G with an Ashley same plane aperture already . . . so if I use it, I can either leave it locked in place, or fold it down when I feel like it. But, I might have the carry handle chopped too, so then I'd have a bit more rugged unit, plus I'd have some elevation adjustments from my zero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a-44978 Posted June 25, 2003 Share Posted June 25, 2003 i've heard good things about the redfield,both with and without multiple reticles.i got a refurb holosite and love it.I just wish there were more matches i could use it in without being in "open class" that sucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Weidhaas Posted June 29, 2003 Share Posted June 29, 2003 We use the Aimpoint M2 (night vision) at work. We only have 5 on line, but have not had any problems. They are very popular with the troops. One thing to consider is that it is easier to adjust reticle/dot brightness with the M2 or ML2 (no night vision) vs. the Holo. Don't get me wrong, the Holo is great and we looked at them hard, but the controls are not as friendly, especially if you have to make a quick brightness adjustment should you go from the outside to inside a darker building for example. The push button pad on the Holo was not real easy to use, especially with a gloved hand. I understand there is to be a new Holo with improved controls. Another thing we liked about the M2 was that should the dot fail and you don't already have your BUSI in the up positon, you can use the tube body of the M2 or ML2 as a big ghost ring for CQB. The advantage of the Holo is that it does have a smaller center dot (standard reticle) for more precise longer range shooting. Just my .02 Nick- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Snyder Posted June 29, 2003 Share Posted June 29, 2003 I used a Bushnell Holo last year, with the N batteries, but couldn't get anything like 100 hours of battery life.... excellent sight and extremely quick... I have pretty bad asthigmatism, and the dot was very consistent... worked well at North Carolina out to 180m weak eyed... this year Mike and I went with the compact ACOG TA44... 1.5 x 16 (gave the widest field of view) and amber triangle.... expensive, but sold a couple of things in the safe... the 1.5 power helps old tired eyes at distance, but doesn't overpower up close...works well for the distances we shoot down here... regards Les Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArturoJ Posted June 30, 2003 Share Posted June 30, 2003 "Cowitnessing" just saved my a** in Tucson's 3gun match Sunday. No light on the EoTech, pulled it off and shot iron. I Won the class, maybe I should just shoot iron all the time. BTW I swapped in two new battery sets, still no light. I am thinking about getting the mini ACOG, but I still like the EoTech best..... as long as it works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Watne Posted July 1, 2003 Author Share Posted July 1, 2003 Well, I got the EOTech Model 512. That's the one with AA batteries. I thought it was faulty untill I read the instructions which say to press firmly on the switches. I put it on a flat top AR-15 and sighted it in yesterday. It has no apparent paralax which can be a problem with dots and sometimes scopes. The retical was sharp without resorting to reading glasses or some kind of diopter lens that older shooters need with iron sights. The clicks seem to be honest. Also, I was impressed at how bright and how dim the dot can be. On the negative side, the switches are not very easy to use. I wouldn't want to have to swich it on if I was in a hurry however that shouldn't be a problem for me, I'm not a soldier or a cop. I think the two switches do too many things. Multi function switches are loved by some and hated by others. I never liked them, they are too complicated and I don't trust them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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