tazmag Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 Here are the additions to the rules to accommodate Stage 1. I have added these to the rules posted online & will email notice of these updates to all shooters registered in the match.--------------------------------------------------- 9.3 Fixed Time (Par Time) Stages 9.3.1 Stages that are designated as Fixed Time or Par Time may limit the amount of time that a shooter may engage targets, or may limit the amount of ammunition available to the shooter for the stage, or may limit both. 9.3.2 Targets will all have a designated value in fixed time stages and the basis of the score will be the sum of points earned a. Maximum point value for a single weapon stage will be 100 points. b. There are no penalties for misses or failure to engage 9.3.3 Penalties will be based on points and subtracted from the stage score a. Overtime shots will incur a 5 point penalty. b. Procedural penalties will incur a 10 point penalty 9.3.4 Total stage score will be the sum of the earned points, minus any penalty points. Fixed Time or Par Time stages will not be hit factored. ---------------------------------------------------- If you have any questions about how the stage will be scored, let me know. Linda Chico (L-2035) 2008 Ft Benning 3 Gun Statistician 18 sec flat or is there a grace time like in other fixed stages?????thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uscbigdawg Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 Probably 0.30 seconds. Rich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazmag Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 (edited) Probably 0.30 seconds.Rich thats what i was assuming, but i hate to assume........ be nice to see it written so less confusion Edited November 21, 2008 by tazmag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigsaxdog Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 another question.....on stage 3, with the slug and bird shots, what happens if the poppers get shot with slugs? or can they be shot with slugs? thanks....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike.45 Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 Good question but I think it a DQ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scout454 Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 Slugs on poppers is a DQ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Norman Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 Gonna have to watch the load order here. Need to shoot a mix the way it looks, not slugs till dry, then shot of visa-versa. We always try to avoid a mix unless the gun can be run dry first. Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigsaxdog Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 so we know for sure that slugs on a popper is a DQ? not that i would ever do something like this with my impeccable loading technique, but it definitely could happen. yo, linda, you out there?........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpeltier Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 I am curious also about slug hits on poppers, I could find no such mention in the rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbrowndog Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 I think Scout454's answer is an assumption,..........probably a pretty good one, but an assumption non the less. I know of at 3 matches that will allow slugs on poppers and it not be a DQ, if its not in the rules I'd say you'd win that arbitration. trapr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickster Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 FB3G Competitors!! We have fianlized Stage 1. The action team shot the stage and it will be challenging. Good luck!!Daniel Questions, questions and more questions. Were all of the action team shooters able to get the max 100 points in the alloted 18 seconds on the first try? Not that it's a problem, or even considered difficult, but I need a personal goal to shoot for... and then be happy with about half that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbrowndog Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 That and I know Travis, KC,Max, Daniel, Lee, Robbie, and others weren't operating an illegal betting pool on government property?? Trapr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ms. Kitty Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 I have it on GOOD Authority: Hitting a steel target with a slug with result in a STAGE DQ and NOT a Match DQ. In addition to the Stage DQ, you will incur a $25.00 charge for EACH steel target hit with a slug. For clarification, if you hit the same target twice, your charge will be $50.00! Sandra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Norman Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 So it will obviously pay to THIMK and load very carefully on this stage. Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazmag Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 I have it on GOOD Authority: Hitting a steel target with a slug with result in a STAGE DQ and NOT a Match DQ. In addition to the Stage DQ, you will incur a $25.00 charge for EACH steel target hit with a slug. For clarification, if you hit the same target twice, your charge will be $50.00! Sandra .. does the aforemention authority have the power to put it in the rules/ stage discription along with the afore mentioned penalities if one were to be so malicious as to choose to do such a heinous act...... im not a range lawyer. but im staying in a holliday inn...lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uscbigdawg Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 Pretty sure Linda and the AMU can make that happen by Friday morning when the RO's shoot without too much difficulty. Rich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazmag Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 Pretty sure Linda and the AMU can make that happen by Friday morning when the RO's shoot without too much difficulty.Rich roger that..... just tryign to avoid the aforementioned squables that will ensue........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillL223 Posted November 22, 2008 Share Posted November 22, 2008 Previously, I think 2 years ago, hitting a popper with a slug was a match DQ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LChico Posted November 22, 2008 Author Share Posted November 22, 2008 (edited) Questions, questions and more questions. Were all of the action team shooters able to get the max 100 points in the alloted 18 seconds on the first try?Not that it's a problem, or even considered difficult, but I need a personal goal to shoot for... and then be happy with about half that. Match Director Aaron Hampton assured me that the stage had been test fired by the AMU Action Shooting Team and by other shooters who were not GM class shooters. He shared my concern that the stage should allow shooters to post scores that reflected their ability (I, as a D class shooter, could expect to get about 40 to 50 points on the stage). The reason it took so long to finalize the stage was because we wanted to test this stage. If you are a A or B class pistol shooter, I suspect you will not get 100 points. 18 sec flat or is there a grace time like in other fixed stages?????thanks Previously, I think 2 years ago, hitting a popper with a slug was a match DQ. Every year that I have been associated with the match, putting a slug on a steel target was a match DQ. Also, in every year I have been associated with the match, any specific of additional information about safety was included in the official stage safety briefing: the one that describes the stage procedure and is read verbatim to every shooter in the match. I try not to reply to questions if I am not certain of the answers. So I will talk to the Range Master and get an official response about: Par Time limits -- is there a 0.3 grace period for overtime shots on stage 1? If the slug hits steel, is it a match DQ? I'm not sure what a stage DQ is . . . and I certainly didn't build one into the scoring program. Pretty sure Linda and the AMU can make that happen by Friday morning when the RO's shoot without too much difficulty.Rich roger that..... just tryign to avoid the aforementioned squables that will ensue........ Tazmag, you must be new. Nobody squabbles with me. Linda Chico (L-2035) 2008 Ft Benning 3 Gun Statistician Edited November 22, 2008 by LChico Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazmag Posted November 22, 2008 Share Posted November 22, 2008 Questions, questions and more questions. Were all of the action team shooters able to get the max 100 points in the alloted 18 seconds on the first try?Not that it's a problem, or even considered difficult, but I need a personal goal to shoot for... and then be happy with about half that. Match Director Aaron Hampton assured me that the stage had been test fired by the AMU Action Shooting Team and by other shooters who were not GM class shooters. He shared my concern that the stage should allow shooters to post scores that reflected their ability (I, as a D class shooter, could expect to get about 40 to 50 points on the stage). The reason it took so long to finalize the stage was because we wanted to test this stage. If you are a A or B class pistol shooter, I suspect you will not get 100 points. 18 sec flat or is there a grace time like in other fixed stages?????thanks Previously, I think 2 years ago, hitting a popper with a slug was a match DQ. Every year that I have been associated with the match, putting a slug on a steel target was a match DQ. Also, in every year I have been associated with the match, any specific of additional information about safety was included in the official stage safety briefing: the one that describes the stage procedure and is read verbatim to every shooter in the match. I try not to reply to questions if I am not certain of the answers. So I will talk to the Range Master and get an official response about: Par Time limits -- is there a .03 grace period for overtime shots on stage 1? If the slug hits steel, is it a match DQ? I'm not sure what a stage DQ is . . . and I certainly didn't build one into the scoring program. Pretty sure Linda and the AMU can make that happen by Friday morning when the RO's shoot without too much difficulty.Rich roger that..... just tryign to avoid the aforementioned squables that will ensue........ Tazmag, you must be new. Nobody squabbles with me. Linda Chico (L-2035) 2008 Ft Benning 3 Gun Statistician thanks linda... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefan Posted November 22, 2008 Share Posted November 22, 2008 I DQ'ed a guy last year for slugging a popper. It was anounced at the shooter's meeting so unless the rules have changed.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrawandDuck Posted November 22, 2008 Share Posted November 22, 2008 (edited) I DQ'ed a guy last year for slugging a popper.......... YOU COLD HEARTED BASTAGE!!!!!!!!!!! Edited November 22, 2008 by DrawandDuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3gunr Posted November 22, 2008 Share Posted November 22, 2008 Stefan isn't kidding the guy that slugged a popper was on my squad. After calling in Cramblit for a decision the shooter was DQ'ed from the match. 3Gunr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrawandDuck Posted November 22, 2008 Share Posted November 22, 2008 Stefan isn't kidding the guy that slugged a popper was on my squad. After calling in Cramblit for a decision the shooter was DQ'ed from the match.3Gunr So, I should include Cramblit too...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scout454 Posted November 22, 2008 Share Posted November 22, 2008 Mr. Cramblit DQ'd a shooter two years ago for smacking a popper with a slug. Ergo, my earlier response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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