open17 Posted February 3, 2008 Share Posted February 3, 2008 Under the new USPSA Blue Book rules, Single Stack and Production guns are required to fit in a box. The box is not the IPSC box, but rather the IDPA box. Reason given last year for choosing this box was it's low cost ($15) and easy availability. SO---I can't find the darned thing on the IDPA site, or anywhere else! Anybody got a link to an online source for "THE BOX"?? No----I don't have any desire to "build one". For $15 it's a lot more cost effective to just buy it. Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpl Posted February 3, 2008 Share Posted February 3, 2008 For what it's worth, I have been talking with my Area Director about this and a scale and the mag guage. He told me that it was discussed at the Board meeting last weekend and USPSA intends to have boxes, a scale, with check weight, as well as the mag guage available thru the USPSA Store. They are currently in the process of selecting a vendor to build the boxes and selecting a scale. I don't have any idea as to a timeline for availability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Keen Posted February 3, 2008 Share Posted February 3, 2008 (edited) I didnt have any desire to build one either, but it's a lot more cost effective to build one, than to go to a major match without checking your gun & mags 1st (remember to insert an empty mag first). I found out I had to modify my Wilson base pads to make them legal It's 6" x 9" how hard could it be ? I wonder if you could find a picture frame that's already an exact 6" x 9" and try that ? Edited February 3, 2008 by CHRIS KEEN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckS Posted February 3, 2008 Share Posted February 3, 2008 I didnt have any desire to build one either, but it's a lot more cost effective to build one, than to go to a major match without checking your gun & mags 1st (remember to insert an empty mag first). I found out I had to modify my Wilson base pads to make them legal It's 6" x 9" how hard could it be ? I wonder if you could find a picture frame that's already and exact 6" x 9" and try that ? Chris, Brilliant! Open17 Go to a picture frame shop and have them make you one... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpl Posted February 3, 2008 Share Posted February 3, 2008 Dimensions from the rule book: Yes, handgun with empty magazine inserted must fit wholly within a box with internal dimensions of 8 15/16” x 6” x 1 5/8” (tolerance +1/16”, -0”) (8.938” x 6” x 1.625”) (227.01mm x 152.40mm x 41.28mm) I would want a box that was the maximum allowable. That looks like 9" x 6 1/16" X 1 11/16" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Keen Posted February 3, 2008 Share Posted February 3, 2008 True, but at an exact 6" x 9" you should be able to tell whether you will have any problems or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
open17 Posted February 3, 2008 Author Share Posted February 3, 2008 Brilliant! Open17 Go to a picture frame shop and have them make you one... Sure. The last custom framing job I had done was close to $70. That was a little bigger than 6x9, and it did include the mat, but $15 for a readymade box still sounds better. I've got the equipment to build one, just lacking the desire. Much rather fiddle with stuff that goes bang in my spare time. Emailed IDPA for price/availability info on buying a box. Got this back. Failed Recipient: info@idpa.com Reason: Recipient spam or content filter rejected the message I feel somehow----offended------ Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Stevens Posted February 3, 2008 Share Posted February 3, 2008 Our box is not exactly the IDPA box anymore. It is slightly longer, but the same in the other two dimensions The IDPA box is however a good go/no go guage. If it will fit in the IDPA box it will for sure fit in the USPSA box. Gary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Nesbitt Posted February 3, 2008 Share Posted February 3, 2008 I got an IDPA box the other day by calling them on the telephone. 870-545-3886. I think it was $15 plus $7 shipping USPS Priority. I had it in a few days. The IDPA rule book says the box is 8 3/4" x 6" x 1 5/8". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zhunter Posted February 3, 2008 Share Posted February 3, 2008 I guess I will build one too, being I think I might need to trim some magazine pads Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maineshootah Posted February 3, 2008 Share Posted February 3, 2008 Our box is not exactly the IDPA box anymore. It is slightly longer, but the same in the other two dimensions The IDPA box is however a good go/no go guage. If it will fit in the IDPA box it will for sure fit in the USPSA box.Gary Gary, Are existing clubs going to be sent this box to measure all of the ss and production guns shot in matches at their location? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
open17 Posted February 3, 2008 Author Share Posted February 3, 2008 Our box is not exactly the IDPA box anymore. It is slightly longer, but the same in the other two dimensions The IDPA box is however a good go/no go guage. If it will fit in the IDPA box it will for sure fit in the USPSA box. Gary [/quote Well---Heck. I need to pay better attention. I thought our box WAS the IDPA box. Especially after this reply from our President on 12/28/06: The USPSA/IDPA box was brought into play for many of the reasons already discussed: * To the best of our knowledge, all currently legal USPSA Production pistols fit * The IDPA box already exists, is readily available and INEXPENSIVE * Having one box makes sense from an ease of enforcement standpoint * Using the IDPA box dimensions allows many shooters to compete in both sports with the same equipment * The box is one of several criteria to be considered for approval * Manufacturers need to know if a new pistol may be considered for approval * The box appears to be generous in size for real world working pistols MV SO---now we have a box of our own. Different from the IDPA, SSC and IPSC boxes. A rule book that says all guns in two divisions have to fit in the box, and no source for an official box. Bill.---Headed for the shop to reload some ammo. Shaking head and mumbling mild curses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zhunter Posted February 3, 2008 Share Posted February 3, 2008 6" X 9" X 1 5/8th's" EZPZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Stevens Posted February 3, 2008 Share Posted February 3, 2008 Taken right from that pretty blue book you all were sent, 8 15/16 x 6 x 1 5/8 (+ 1/16 inch variance) We are working on the logisical issues even as we speak. Much like a chronograph, if one is not used, then there is no PF issue. If a mag guage is not used, then there is no magazine length issue. If a box is not used, then there is no size issue. If a scale is not used, then there is no weight issue. I would imagine that larger matches will make these testing items available as we progress into the shooting year. Gary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
open17 Posted February 4, 2008 Author Share Posted February 4, 2008 Taken right from that pretty blue book you all were sent, 8 15/16 x 6 x 1 5/8 (+ 1/16 inch variance) Gary, MV made a pretty persuasive arguement for the IDPA box in the above quote. Available, inexpensive, useful to attract crossover shooters etc. Had me convinced that if a box were needed the IDPA box was the way to go! Just curious---what was the reason we DIDN'T adopt the IDPA box? What was the issue that prompted the adoption of a box identical to the IDPA box in height and depth, but 3/16" longer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Stevens Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 We found that at least one factory produced 1911 had a little difficulty fitting into the IDPA box due to the combination of beavertail and barrel. It was something that could be easily fixed with a little grinding on the beavertail, but I know if I had just bought a new blaster I wouldn't want to take a dremmel to it first thing. My goal was to get as many 1911's into the game as possible and opening up the box 3/16 seemed to be a good way to do it. As I said before the IDPA box can be used as a go/no go guage. If it fits in the IDPA box you are good to go with the USPSA box. Gary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nik Habicht Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 As I said before the IDPA box can be used as a go/no go guage. If it fits in the IDPA box you are good to go with the USPSA box.Gary You really mean as a go gauge, right? Because if it fits, it's definitely good to go, if it doesn't -- and it's close -- it might still fit in the official USPSA box...... Also -- when the box addition to the production list was proposed, someone (and I think it was Amidon, but I'm not sure I remember that correctly) opined that the box was only designed to make it easy for manufacturers to figure out if their new design was likely to be approved for Production. The up shot of that was to be that matches wouldn't need to check Production guns in a box, but would need to reference the list.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Stevens Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 (edited) Hi Nik, Well yes and no. The USPSA box is only different in one dimension, so the gun still has to fit in the other two. If it fits in the IDPA box all is well. If it does not fit in the IDPA box due to length, it still might fit in the USPSA box. Six of one, half dozen of the other I guess. The box has already been used in Single Stack, or perhaps it is only me who get's checked at each match I feel I might have a bounty on my head. Edited February 4, 2008 by Gary Stevens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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