Matt Cheely Posted December 16, 2008 Share Posted December 16, 2008 There is little to no disadvantage to a S&A magwell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steel1212 Posted December 16, 2008 Share Posted December 16, 2008 There is little to no disadvantage to a S&A magwell. as a magwell, no not really. As a grip enhancer, yeah I think the SVI/Techwells do help with that. I have rubbed the blue off my steel SVI magwell on my IDPA eagle in one area just because it pushes my hand up and forces a better grip, the ice does that even better but doesn't fit the box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Cheely Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 There is little to no disadvantage to a S&A magwell. as a magwell, no not really. As a grip enhancer, yeah I think the SVI/Techwells do help with that. I have rubbed the blue off my steel SVI magwell on my IDPA eagle in one area just because it pushes my hand up and forces a better grip, the ice does that even better but doesn't fit the box. I don't have trouble with a proper grip. There's at least 3/8" between the bottom of my hand and the bottom of the frontstrap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve J Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 There is little to no disadvantage to a S&A magwell. And it is much more attractive. The grossly over sized mag wells look, well, grossly unattractive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Burtchell Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 (edited) And they also get your pistol wedged in the IDPA box, when the box is used a part of the course of fire. Trust me, you look pretty silly almost pointing the box at an array of targets. Ask me how I know.. Edited December 17, 2008 by baerburtchell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merlin Orr Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 Yada yada yada blah blah blah... The thread has gone to hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aircooled6racer Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 Hello: The SVI biggest advantage is the grip indexing as stated above. As for being better than the S&A to feed the mag in, I would say they are the same. Both magwells need blending and if done right both are very fast. Personally I did not like the SVI magwell since it pushed my palm away from the grip. I have large hands and like the single stack grip with the S&A magwell better. The checkering on the bottom of the S&A helps me grip the pistol better as well. I was thinking of adding grip tape to the SVI magwell but just went with another S&A magwell. I do think practice does more than people think in feeding the Single Stacks quickly. Thanks, Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Burtchell Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 Yada yada yada blah blah blah... The thread has gone to hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steel1212 Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 (edited) There is little to no disadvantage to a S&A magwell. as a magwell, no not really. As a grip enhancer, yeah I think the SVI/Techwells do help with that. I have rubbed the blue off my steel SVI magwell on my IDPA eagle in one area just because it pushes my hand up and forces a better grip, the ice does that even better but doesn't fit the box. I don't have trouble with a proper grip. There's at least 3/8" between the bottom of my hand and the bottom of the frontstrap. I was talking about MY grip. I'm glad you have a perfect grip it has taken you to GM in almost everything. My STRONG hand is probably 3/8s high or higher on the front strap but my strong hand is not what gets support from the magwell on the frontstrap its my weak hand pinkie finger. It also helps with my strong hands palm on the bottom right of the mainspring housing, that is where I've rubbed the blue off my magwell on my eagle. And they also get your pistol wedged in the IDPA box, when the box is used a part of the course of fire. Trust me, you look pretty silly almost pointing the box at an array of targets. Ask me how I know.. Not if you fit it to have pleanty of wiggle room BEFORE you use it in the match. Most of that is mag basepads or it was with my setup. Edited December 17, 2008 by steel1212 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RH45 Posted December 20, 2008 Share Posted December 20, 2008 ZHUNTER, very good thread! I ran nothing but the old, Clark speed chutes on my single stacks, and wasn't going to spend the money to change them all to something else, but, as you stated, the SVs and the Techwell do improve getting a good grip, for us non-GM shooters. I ended up buying one of each to try, but, I really don't care for the feel of the alumigrips, so, I think I'll sell the Techwell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revchuck Posted December 20, 2008 Share Posted December 20, 2008 There is little to no disadvantage to a S&A magwell. Matt - Do you mean as opposed to other magwells, or as opposed to beveling the opening on the gun itself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aircooled6racer Posted December 20, 2008 Share Posted December 20, 2008 Hello: I believe Matt is saying the magwell. If you practice with no magwell then go to a S&A magwell you will be even faster. It gives you a little fudge room Thanks, Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Cheely Posted December 20, 2008 Share Posted December 20, 2008 There is little to no disadvantage to a S&A magwell. Matt - Do you mean as opposed to other magwells, or as opposed to beveling the opening on the gun itself? No disadvantage to the S&A over the techwell/SVI/etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zhunter Posted December 21, 2008 Author Share Posted December 21, 2008 IF the SV or Techwell does not help you with your grip index on the draw, the use the S&A, in my opinion one of them really help with SS reloads. I did not know that until I bought them and tried them out, SS reloads are all about practice, and getting them lined up, the magwell is NOT going to help poor technique Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-ManBart Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 (edited) There is little to no disadvantage to a S&A magwell. Matt - Do you mean as opposed to other magwells, or as opposed to beveling the opening on the gun itself? No disadvantage to the S&A over the techwell/SVI/etc. I'm not sure how or why you guys keep coming up with this, but it's simply not true. A larger magwell (i.e. Techwell or SV) will absolutely, positively, 100% of the time give you more margin of error to take a reload that was a bit off and make it nearly as good as a perfect reload....and certainly good enough to keep from totally trashing a stage. None of that means SS shooters shouldn't practice the H@ll out of reloads, but no matter what, even the very best sometimes miss a reload (we all recall the pic in Front Sight of TGO totally blowing a SS or L-10 reload last year). A larger magwell won't help on a perfect reload, it won't help on one that's nearly perfect since any decent magwell will save those, but it's when you miss one just "that" much more where the big magwells save your bacon and keep it from being a disaster. If people don't like the way they look, don't like the way they feel, don't think they're keeping with tradition....all that's fine and good, but it doesn't change the fact that a bigger magwell offers a bigger margin of error. When I put my Techwell next to an S&A, there's enough room in the Techwell that you could hit the outer part of the funnel just enough to make the reload where it would be on the flat part of the bottom of the S&A....which would be a 100% blown reload. Even if it only saves a reload for me a couple of times a year it's worth it to have that extra margin of error. Actually, I encourage everyone shooting SS to stick with no magwell at all, just do a little blending and call it good...no sense in offering help to the competition right? Edited December 21, 2008 by G-ManBart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merlin Orr Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 There is little to no disadvantage to a S&A magwell. Matt - Do you mean as opposed to other magwells, or as opposed to beveling the opening on the gun itself? No disadvantage to the S&A over the techwell/SVI/etc. I'm not sure how or why you guys keep coming up with this, but it's simply not true. A larger magwell (i.e. Techwell or SV) will absolutely, positively, 100% of the time give you more margin of error to take a reload that was a bit off and make it nearly as good as a perfect reload....and certainly good enough to keep from totally trashing a stage. None of that means SS shooters shouldn't practice the H@ll out of reloads, but no matter what, even the very best sometimes miss a reload (we all recall the pic in Front Sight of TGO totally blowing a SS or L-10 reload last year). A larger magwell won't help on a perfect reload, it won't help on one that's nearly perfect since any decent magwell will save those, but it's when you miss one just "that" much more where the big magwells save your bacon and keep it from being a disaster. If people don't like the way they look, don't like the way they feel, don't think they're keeping with tradition....all that's fine and good, but it doesn't change the fact that a bigger magwell offers a bigger margin of error. Whatever you feel is best is wonderful and great and that is the product you should use. When I was a kid we used the hoop off the top of a washing machine for a basketball goal/rim. Sure seemed to me it was easier to hit than a standard sized one.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Cheely Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 I will agree with that G-man. I amend my statement to "I think that for Myself, a S&A is not slowing me down compared to a SVI/Techwell". I can't throw the mag at the gun like with my ICE & limited gun, so the larger well doesn't really help. If the mag isn't lined up and going in the gun, having the larger magwell might catch the top of the mag, but it's still not going in smooth. I'm better off being more deliberate and getting the mag in there on the first try. I also do not like the way the SVI/Techwell push on my hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Cheely Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 Not to mention that TGO and TJ both use a S&A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merlin Orr Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 Well... Merlin and Z use an SVI...! You think if I traded it for a S&A I could shoot like TGO or TJ or Matt Cheely? Maybe a GM has a different and more developed skillset and therefore does not benefit as much as us mere mortals from that little extra margin for error...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aircooled6racer Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 Hello: I thought TGO was using a Techwell now. I maybe wrong though. Merlin does use the SVI one and everyone wants to be like Merlin Thanks, Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Cheely Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 Hello: I thought TGO was using a Techwell now. I maybe wrong though. Merlin does use the SVI one and everyone wants to be like Merlin Thanks, Eric Possible. I can only comment on the last time I saw him shooting SS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-ManBart Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 I will agree with that G-man. I amend my statement to "I think that for Myself, a S&A is not slowing me down compared to a SVI/Techwell".I can't throw the mag at the gun like with my ICE & limited gun, so the larger well doesn't really help. If the mag isn't lined up and going in the gun, having the larger magwell might catch the top of the mag, but it's still not going in smooth. I'm better off being more deliberate and getting the mag in there on the first try. I also do not like the way the SVI/Techwell push on my hand. Yeah, if someone doesn't like the way if feels (like it pushing on your hand) that's enough reason to go with something else...if the gun doesn't feel right, nay perfect, in your hand, it's not the way it should be. I'd also be willing to bet that your "deliberate" reload is faster than most folks "fast" reloads, so you're likely in a position to be more flexible in what you use.....and I'd suspect a little bit calmer under pressure than the average D,C,B,A shooter so you're less likely to rush and blow one when it really counts. I know that I try to approach SS as nearly Virginia count shooting with tons of practice on perfect reloads...there just isn't any way you can shoot or reload sloppy and do well. Last I knew (early this year) TGO was using a Techwell that he'd opened up the front on (I'm guessing to enable stripping out a mag easier if necessary)...looked a little odd, but seemed to work fine. Hopefully he'll shoot the WSSSC again and we can get an update. R, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carmoney Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 A search would have revealed this issue has already been fully resolved: http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?...amp;hl=techwell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Cheely Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 A search would have revealed this issue has already been fully resolved: http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?...amp;hl=techwell I remember that thread now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbbean Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 A search would have revealed this issue has already been fully resolved: http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?...amp;hl=techwell SWEET! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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