benos Posted January 22, 2003 Share Posted January 22, 2003 THE "BILL DRILL" According to Bill Wilson, this is the original Bill Drill: The idea of all strings is to get the best possible hits. "One target at seven yards. String 1: Fire 6 shots slowly and make the smallest group you can. String 2: Fire 6 shots with about .50 splits between each shot. String 3: Fire 6 shots as fast as you can." Even though "that is according to Bill Wilson," that ain't what he told me and Robbie, long ago. Maybe he got tricky with some refinements... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSeevers Posted January 22, 2003 Share Posted January 22, 2003 I knew it. String 3 as fast as you can, all A's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pepper Popper Posted January 28, 2003 Share Posted January 28, 2003 went out and gave it a try to day at 7yrd went like this........ 2.48 29pt draw1.21 2.19 29pt draw1.10 2.06 26pt draw1.05 splits.21.21.19.21.19 where would that be in classification any body know??? (Edited by Pepper Popper at 7:48 pm on Jan. 27, 2003) (Edited by Pepper Popper at 7:49 pm on Jan. 27, 2003) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted January 28, 2003 Share Posted January 28, 2003 Pepper Popper...that would score a big fat ZERO!. The drill requires ALL Alpha hits. Please try again. (Just giving you a hard time. ) The Bill Drill is just a drill. It isn't a USPSA classifier. The idea is a one second draw and first Alpha hit, with the remaining five Alpha hits in 0.20 second splits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loves2Shoot Posted January 28, 2003 Share Posted January 28, 2003 That would be 2 seconds for those who can't do the math that Flex provided. 1 + (5x.2) = 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pepper Popper Posted January 28, 2003 Share Posted January 28, 2003 just wondering what some of the other shooters scores were and their classification be it GM or D their first three runs. like the 1st post did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tightloop Posted January 29, 2003 Share Posted January 29, 2003 Popper I am master CDP in IDPA haven't shot IPSC since 86 when there were no classes. flex, I don't think there is any "idea" there. Just complete the drill in 2 sec, all A's. However you can get it done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pepper Popper Posted January 30, 2003 Share Posted January 30, 2003 thank you tightloop.............. anybody else :-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSeevers Posted January 30, 2003 Share Posted January 30, 2003 Best time in competition was 1.57 but I think it had 1 C if I remember. I can do 1.6X on demand. M/GM measure of skill level used to be below 2.0, still is, but I would say now quite a few can go below 1.8 on a regular basis. I am an A but according to some less than reliable sources I should be higher classed. Below 2.0 is still a great goal since when you get there its just shades of gray to improve. And if you can pull off 2.0 Bill Drills you can probably win any match that you try. Assuming you have all the other skills it takes. Bill Drill's are for speed practice and to measure relaxation. Its usually a good idea not to get hung up on them. They are fun(Outstanding Name aside) Sometimes I will shoot a group at 30 yards and then go right up and try to shoot a fast Bill Drill and vice versa. Guess to "balance" it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ankeny Posted January 30, 2003 Share Posted January 30, 2003 I haven't even come close to a two second Bill Drill because of the all A zone requirement and because I shoot them infrequently. I am at 84% limited. I know several guys who can routinely smoke me on Bill Drills, but they don't even come close through the course of an entire match. (Edited by Ron Ankeny at 10:11 am on Jan. 30, 2003) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tightloop Posted January 30, 2003 Share Posted January 30, 2003 As I have said B4 you can't win the match on one of these, but you can loose it there. Anything with 0 down from 2.5 sec down is great in a match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcoliver Posted February 1, 2003 Share Posted February 1, 2003 I'm experimenting with doing this drill cold during match day. 2 magfulls to the berm and 1 with a target paying little attention to shot placement and more with "how everything is feeling today." I noticed I can better track my tension levels once I start with the COF's. YMMV though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cardboardkiller Posted February 8, 2003 Share Posted February 8, 2003 I'm still fuzzy on my IPSC scoring, but 2.08 all six shots in the -0 on an IDPA target, I figure the A zone on a USPSA target covers a larger area, but not by much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted February 8, 2003 Share Posted February 8, 2003 The USPSA target is taller, but not as wide as the IDPA target. (A-zone to -0) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loves2Shoot Posted February 20, 2003 Share Posted February 20, 2003 I shot this 8 times today and relized once again that BE is very wise. My 1st 3 runs draw was .98 to 1.01 splits dead on .15 all A's, so I try to kick it up a notch and this happens: 5 runs draw = .78-.87 splits = .17-.19, 6 c's total What I felt: I was on my sight the whole time the 1st three strings Draw and shots. The next 5 reckless abandon, not seeing the sight very well reflex pulling the trigger. The times end up being fast with the slow draw and faster splits (not much) but no flyers and "felt" comfortable. Warp speed got me a fast draw, but I couldn't get the trigger working. Grasshopper must see what the heck he is shooting to be rewarded. Now I hope I can remember this come my next match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkeeler Posted April 2, 2003 Share Posted April 2, 2003 I did the 7 yard Bill Drill last night. IDPA rig 2.32 30pts 2.34 30pts 2.31 30pts 2.34 30pts 2.46 30pts (bad grip) oopps I found that I need to work on my draw time splits are around .21 to .20 thats about a 1.30.... draw. but this is out of a IDPA rig. How much difference does a race rig make on the draw? thanks bkeeler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted April 2, 2003 Share Posted April 2, 2003 Work on that draw. Under a second in doable without a race rig. (very much so) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loves2Shoot Posted April 2, 2003 Share Posted April 2, 2003 just my 2 cents on the "race" rig. I was doing some draws the other day out of an uncle mikes $5 holster and they were dang near as fast as my race rig. Practice is the key to the draw, not the rig IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tightloop Posted April 2, 2003 Share Posted April 2, 2003 Blade Tech, Commander, 7 yds, draw consistently under 1 sec. Best time, aimed shot at 7 yds from this rig, A hit, .72 It ain't the arrow, it's the indian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Thomas Posted April 3, 2003 Share Posted April 3, 2003 But when the arrow flies, so does the shooter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ankeny Posted April 3, 2003 Share Posted April 3, 2003 I almost hate to admit being cheap, but I have been using an Uncle Mike's with my single stack in L10. I did make the speed cut deeper so it's not legal for IDPA. I was screwing around at the range the other day with my single stack and the cheapo holster and I shot the fastest 7 yard Bill Drill of my life, but I had a couple of C hits so it doesn't count. I was trying to demonstrate the importance of grip, balance, and stance to one of our new shooters. I suppose I should have added accuracy, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tightloop Posted April 3, 2003 Share Posted April 3, 2003 Well, how fast.......? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ankeny Posted April 3, 2003 Share Posted April 3, 2003 Tightloop: I didn't want to mention the time because of my whine two months ago about not being able to run in the two second range. So much for self imposed limitations. Now remember it doesn't count because of the errant hits, it was only 7 yards, and I have not been able to reproduce the time on demand. To be honest, I was in a real aggressive stance and I was having a new shooter watch the pistol lift and return during a lesson on just letting recoil happen. I was manipulating the trigger as quickly as possible but my vision was turned way down. The time was a blistering 1.52 seconds. I hit an awesome draw (for me) of .80 seconds. In the real world, I have been running fairly close to 2 seconds with all A's most of the time at 10 yards with my open blaster while actually calling the shots and tracking the dot. The draw runs right around 1.2 with splits averaging .16. For now, things fall apart when I try to push it beyond that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tightloop Posted April 3, 2003 Share Posted April 3, 2003 I don't care if one shot was a Mike, that is BLAZING. I have never done it that fast. Best is 1.62, clean. Can pretty consistently turn 1.85 or so, but I don't try to press that number much. There isn't 1-100 that can beat that and I cut it down a notch if I have to shoot it in a match. Just Steady Eddie at 2.1 or so keeps you in there and puts the pressure on the other guy. Maybe you do better with an audience? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ankeny Posted April 4, 2003 Share Posted April 4, 2003 tightloop: It was a fluke and it suprised me more than the guy I was with. Even a blind hog finds an acorn from time to time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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