chp5 Posted June 1, 2006 Share Posted June 1, 2006 I recently pickup up a G35. With my Limited mags with Arrendondo base pads and the #5 followers, the last round in the mag would regularly nose dive into the feed ramp. This occurs in both live fire and when I hand-cycle the slide. Interestingly, this does not happen with my G22 and the same mags. I have two Limited mags with the #6 followers. They all feed the last round flawlessly in the G35. My guess is that the #6 follower gets the last round slightly higher than the #5. BTW – Flex says that the mags with the #6 followers are different than the mags with the #5 followers. I don’t doubt the Flexmeister, but I looked and looked and cannot tell the difference. YMMV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket35 Posted June 1, 2006 Share Posted June 1, 2006 I too have been having problems with the setup you are discribing. The newer mag bodies have more of a taper to them in my opinion. I am looking to acquire some of the older style mags and using the #5 followers. With that setup I had no problem getting 20 rounds in the mag with out malfunctions. With the new mags and #6 followers and Arrendondo basepads I can't get 20rds in there reliably. If anyone has a good solution to the this setup, please help us! I am shooting L-10 right now because of this issue and want to return to "Limited regular" instead of staying in "Limited light"! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SA Friday Posted June 1, 2006 Share Posted June 1, 2006 I think Novak makes a +1 follower that might alleviate this problem. You might want to try it. (Note: I have read about them, but still have yet to order some. There doesn't seem to be an on-line ordering system to purchase them.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chp5 Posted June 1, 2006 Author Share Posted June 1, 2006 I too have been having problems with the setup you are discribing. The newer mag bodies have more of a taper to them in my opinion. I am looking to acquire some of the older style mags and using the #5 followers. With that setup I had no problem getting 20 rounds in the mag with out malfunctions. With the new mags and #6 followers and Arrendondo basepads I can't get 20rds in there reliably. If anyone has a good solution to the this setup, please help us! I am shooting L-10 right now because of this issue and want to return to "Limited regular" instead of staying in "Limited light"! Rocket - I usually get 18 or 19 reliably. That's all you need. Most S_I mags only get that many. BTW - I want the newer mags with the #6 followers. I have some like-new #5 follower mags if you want to trade. Drop me a line if you're interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted June 1, 2006 Share Posted June 1, 2006 BTW – Flex says that the mags with the #6 followers are different than the mags with the #5 followers. I don’t doubt the Flexmeister, but I looked and looked and cannot tell the difference.YMMV I recently got some mags with #5 followers...that had the new body style. I have a handful of them...partically new (had them about 2 weeks). I might be up for some swapping out too. I get jams with those nose-up mags...running mouse-fart minor loads and too much recoil spring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted June 1, 2006 Share Posted June 1, 2006 I think Novak makes a +1 follower that might alleviate this problem. You might want to try it. (Note: I have read about them, but still have yet to order some. There doesn't seem to be an on-line ordering system to purchase them.) The Novak Handgunner Outlet (NHO) +1 follower weren't any help to me with the new (tapered) mags. I was still down a round in Limited. With the old mags, I could run them 20+1 if needed (NHO follower, non-tapered mag, Dawson basepad and spring). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket35 Posted June 1, 2006 Share Posted June 1, 2006 I have noticed several guys with widebody 1911s shooting 20 round 140mm mags. I hate the fact on a 20 round stage I would be giving up time to someone else just because mag capacity. I would be interested in trading. I sent ya a pm chp5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
splashdown Posted June 2, 2006 Share Posted June 2, 2006 (edited) I'll just chime in with my experience, for whatever it's worth. I bought 3 dawson basepads and tried them on all my mags. I've got 2 pre-ban, 2 post ban with #6 followers, and 3 during ban LEO marked mags. I tried the base pads on all the mags to see which had the most capacity and decided on the LEO mags with #5 followers. I got 19+1 with all the LEO mags and only 18+1 with the rest. I've thought about getting a NHO +1 follower for my first mag. (There's a NHO Store link on his website www.novakshandgunneroutlet.com then click on the index button.) Flex, you think I could get 20+1 with the LEO mags? Edited June 2, 2006 by splashdown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted June 2, 2006 Share Posted June 2, 2006 I'll have to see if I can dig up the camera and get some pics to show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric nielsen Posted June 2, 2006 Share Posted June 2, 2006 I posted this about the #3 follower & new-style 9mm mag body: http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?...8&hl=29\+1 Something similar may work with your 40cal mags OR Tom Novak may have something that helps if you call him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trail3 Posted June 2, 2006 Share Posted June 2, 2006 I am having the same problem, except using the # 6 follower, new style mags, same base pad extensions. Just got some # 5's and Novack's new style follower. Hope to install this weekend, test again and post results. I also changed recoil spring from 17# to 14#, this helped, only tried 2 out of 4 mags, limited test. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFD Posted June 2, 2006 Share Posted June 2, 2006 (edited) I've got 10 new mags for my G35 and can only get 19 reliable & reloadable rounds in any of them with Dawson extensions. I did a bit of work on one of the #6 followers, but no joy. 20 rounds fit so tight that I worry about malfunctions on the first shot. It takes major effort to fit a 20 round loaded mag in the gun. There's no way a minor load would cycle the slide against all that tension. Major loads have worked so far, but I'm still not going to start with more than 19+1. Edited to add: Just ordered 3 different types of LE mags from CDNN since I have no idea which ones might have the right tube and follower: 3 of the GLO22ZE(used) @$8.99 - 1 of the GLO22ZD(used) @$9.99 - 1 of the GLO22ZLAW(new) @$12.99. I got the feeling that the $8.99 mags were the oldest and most likely to do the trick. If not, then I still have 5 more 15 round mags. With 15 mags I'll be very inclined to heavily experiment with 1 of them if I still can't get 20+1. At least I'll screw around with the springs and followers. What I've seen with the mags I have tells me the springs will need to lose at least 1 coil, as follower mods have resulted in zero gain. 19+1 isn't really a big deal, but I'm used to having 21+1. My wife will eventually use the Glock and I want to set the gun up as perfectly as possible before she does. I'm only going to shoot it occasionally until then to make sure it functions 100%. I'll give the Novak +1 follower a try once he has online ordering or Pistolgear.com starts carrying them. I've got a pet peeve where anyone who has a website but doesn't have online ordering or a distributor who does doesn't get my business. I don't really believe it's a follower problem unless Glock made some major changes. Edited June 2, 2006 by JFD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
splashdown Posted June 2, 2006 Share Posted June 2, 2006 Not sure if you guys are looking in the right spot, but it seems that you can order directly off Novak's website. I clicked on NHO Store, then Index, then on the item, then on the checkout button... I've never completed a transaction there, but it appears that he has the capability directly from his site. Check it out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFD Posted June 2, 2006 Share Posted June 2, 2006 (edited) Perhaps it was a work in progress last time I checked. Will check again. Thanks The site did appear to have a functioning online store this time, but no +1 followers were listed anywhere that I could find. Edited June 2, 2006 by JFD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chp5 Posted June 2, 2006 Author Share Posted June 2, 2006 (edited) Anyone want to sell me some # 6 followers or trade for some #5's? Edited June 2, 2006 by chp5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket35 Posted June 2, 2006 Share Posted June 2, 2006 Perhaps it was a work in progress last time I checked. Will check again. ThanksThe site did appear to have a functioning online store this time, but no +1 followers were listed anywhere that I could find. Go here: http://store.novakshandgunneroutlet.com/ind.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Koski Posted June 2, 2006 Share Posted June 2, 2006 You can put #6 followers in #5 mag tubes, but they ride funny at the top, and the witness holes will be all screwed up. On the 5 follower mag tubes, the witness hole spacing is even, but the spacing is graduated on the 6 follower mag tubes. There are other subtle changes as well bewteen the tubes. I've fiddled around with mixing and matching 6 followers with 5 mags, and ended up thinking it's not a great idea. I've got a handfull of BRAND NEW 5 follower hicap mags, mostly unmarked. I'll sell them to you if you want them. koski88@hotmail.com Koski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chp5 Posted June 2, 2006 Author Share Posted June 2, 2006 You can put #6 followers in #5 mag tubes, but they ride funny at the top, and the witness holes will be all screwed up. On the 5 follower mag tubes, the witness hole spacing is even, but the spacing is graduated on the 6 follower mag tubes. There are other subtle changes as well bewteen the tubes.I've fiddled around with mixing and matching 6 followers with 5 mags, and ended up thinking it's not a great idea. I've got a handfull of BRAND NEW 5 follower hicap mags, mostly unmarked. I'll sell them to you if you want them. koski88@hotmail.com Koski Thanks, but I want #6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike4045 Posted June 3, 2006 Share Posted June 3, 2006 I sset my Glock up with Arredondo bottoms and got 20 rds in them easily. I was able to get 21 on a couple. The problem was they never ran right unless downloaded to 18 or 19 rds. I finally gave up on the idea and went back to stock. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted June 3, 2006 Share Posted June 3, 2006 The +1 followers can be had at Novak Handgunner Outlet in PA, not to be confused with Novak's in WV. http://www.handgunneroutlet.net/parts/part.htm (+1's at the bottom of this page) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFD Posted June 3, 2006 Share Posted June 3, 2006 (edited) Damn.....I was checking out the wrong place...... Thanks for the help. I went ahead and ordered the value pack. Edited June 3, 2006 by JFD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
splashdown Posted June 3, 2006 Share Posted June 3, 2006 FYI www.handgunneroutlet.net is his old site and should no longer be used. www.novakshandgunneroutlet.com is the new one. Rocket's link is correct. Flex, you're behind the times man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted June 3, 2006 Share Posted June 3, 2006 opps well...it's just not this: http://www.novaksights.com/ (Which is Novak Sights and gunsmithing, Wayne Novak's place) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harmon Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 I have 2 20 round mags with the 6 followers and two that only get 19. I recently bought some used mags with the 5 follower, will they hold 20 rounds more easily? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morphire Posted June 9, 2006 Share Posted June 9, 2006 I think Novak makes a +1 follower that might alleviate this problem. You might want to try it. (Note: I have read about them, but still have yet to order some. There doesn't seem to be an on-line ordering system to purchase them.) The Novak Handgunner Outlet (NHO) +1 follower weren't any help to me with the new (tapered) mags. I was still down a round in Limited. With the old mags, I could run them 20+1 if needed (NHO follower, non-tapered mag, Dawson basepad and spring). Attempting to follow your advice I went ahead and purchased 5 dawson base pads for my mags. They are the newer #6 follower, tapered, .40 mags. I loaded each one up to find out where the capacity was and found all but one of them to reliably take 20 rounds. The one mag+dawson combo would only take 19 rounds. At this point I'm holding off trying out the NHO +1 followers. Just thought I'd give a little feedback on what I'd found out. I'm feeding them with a G35 and using WW White Box ammo. Kevin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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