rgkeller Posted February 15, 2006 Share Posted February 15, 2006 Have a lot of 230 LRN to shoot up. After reading here, I bought some Clays. Does 3.8 of Clays make major? Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougCarden Posted February 15, 2006 Share Posted February 15, 2006 3.9gr of CLAYS in a 5in .45 barrel will be right at 165-168PF. 4.1 with a 230LRN SHOULD get you through a chrono at a Big match with no sweating.... Regards, DougC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD45 Posted February 16, 2006 Share Posted February 16, 2006 I chronoed that load, 3.8grs of Clays and a 230gr. cast RN in my 5" 1911, and they averaged 770fps ! The same load with 3.8grs. of Bullseye went 690-710fps. And the load with Clays did not even sound as loud as several other powders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ipscbob Posted February 16, 2006 Share Posted February 16, 2006 Be careful using primers on the hard side such as CCIs with Clays. I ruined a breachface shooting .45acp clays loads with CCI primers. Seems the harder primer is also harder to seal fully. I ended up with gas leakage around the primer which eroded the breachface. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harmon Posted February 16, 2006 Share Posted February 16, 2006 i run 3.8 grains of clays and a precision 230 grain bullet...makes 169 pf in my gun plain lead goes a little slower in my gun..3.9 should get it done though. also, federal large pistol primers are THE stuff for the 45...all other primers are too hard for the low pressure generated by the 45. good luck Harmon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotwang Posted February 19, 2006 Share Posted February 19, 2006 3.9gr of CLAYS in a 5in .45 barrel will be right at 165-168PF. 4.1 with a 230LRN SHOULD get you through a chrono at a Big match with no sweating.... 4.1 of Clays with a 230 LRN got me through a number of Chronos with plenty to spare when it was a 175 power factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LPatterson Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 See this thread for results of 3.8gr Clays & 2 different bullets. http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=33658 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgkeller Posted April 14, 2006 Author Share Posted April 14, 2006 What weight recoil spring do folks use with clays and 230 lrn? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carmoney Posted April 14, 2006 Share Posted April 14, 2006 3.9gr of CLAYS in a 5in .45 barrel will be right at 165-168PF. 4.1 with a 230LRN SHOULD get you through a chrono at a Big match with no sweating.... Regards, DougC Yep, that's what I use too. 4.1 gr. always makes chrono in my wheelguns and my 1911s. What weight recoil spring do folks use with clays and 230 lrn?Thanks Personally, I use a 13# spring with no buffer in my 1911s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFD Posted April 14, 2006 Share Posted April 14, 2006 I use a 13 lb with a single shok buff, but a 14 lb was fine too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD45 Posted April 15, 2006 Share Posted April 15, 2006 12lb. and one CP buff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
epj Posted April 15, 2006 Share Posted April 15, 2006 Be careful using primers on the hard side such as CCIs with Clays. I ruined a breachface shooting .45acp clays loads with CCI primers. Seems the harder primer is also harder to seal fully. I ended up with gas leakage around the primer which eroded the breachface. Hummmmm...., Interestingly enough, I just bought a 1000 CCI primers. I primarily load some lighter target loads with Clays. I'll have to keep amn eye on that. How many rounds did it take to "ruin" your breachface? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aerosigns Posted April 15, 2006 Share Posted April 15, 2006 I am trying to dial in with 230 gr. Ranier, and clays for my 5" Revo. Questions is how much variance should I be seeing in FPS? I am seeing 35 to 70 FPS variation depending on the test load. Last night in test #1 with 8 rounds (2 didn't read) range was 769.8 to 734 - Avg. 753.05 / PF 173.20. Test #2 with 8 rounds reading range was 775.70 to 714.90 - Avg. 747.44 / PF 171.90. Is this normal? Also, what is a comfortable target I should be trying to achieve for major matches? Thanks, and happy Easter. Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveZ Posted April 15, 2006 Share Posted April 15, 2006 I am trying to dial in with 230 gr. Ranier, and clays for my 5" Revo.Questions is how much variance should I be seeing in FPS? I am seeing 35 to 70 FPS variation depending on the test load. Jim Hi Jim...I'm running 4.0gr of Clays and Rainier 230's also through my Springfield. Below is the data I've pulled from my CED chrono: 4.0gr Clays, 230gr Rainier (1.255") High: 749.2 Low: 710.0 E.S.: 39.2 Ave.: 735.4 S.D.: 11.0 PF: 169.1 I'm getting an Extreme Spread of 39..so that falls close to the bottom of what your seeing. I've found the best consistancy when I make sure I've got a good crimp on the bullet. I'm useing a Lee FCD at the final stage in my press. This load is extremely soft shooting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aerosigns Posted April 15, 2006 Share Posted April 15, 2006 Steve, Thanks. I think that maybe the area I need to look is at my FCD. I am using a Lee Pro 1000. From the looks of the casing I don't think I have that adjusted tight enough. Is yours the one that came with your loader, or do you have the Carbide FCD? Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveZ Posted April 15, 2006 Share Posted April 15, 2006 Is yours the one that came with your loader, or do you have the Carbide FCD?Jim Well this is going to sound little crazy..but I started with a Lee Turret press years ago and acquired all my dies at that time ....Lee dies. I've since switched to a Dillon 550B but still running the Lee dies. My FCD is the one with the carbide sizing ring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carmoney Posted April 15, 2006 Share Posted April 15, 2006 (edited) I am trying to dial in with 230 gr. Ranier, and clays for my 5" Revo.Questions is how much variance should I be seeing in FPS? I am seeing 35 to 70 FPS variation depending on the test load. Last night in test #1 with 8 rounds (2 didn't read) range was 769.8 to 734 - Avg. 753.05 / PF 173.20. Test #2 with 8 rounds reading range was 775.70 to 714.90 - Avg. 747.44 / PF 171.90. Is this normal? Also, what is a comfortable target I should be trying to achieve for major matches? Thanks, and happy Easter. Jim Jim, your loads sound just about like mine, which will be very similar to those used by most of the USPSA revo guys. I wouldn't change a thing if I were you. Don't be afraid to give them a good tight crimp (don't overdo it to the point that you cut through the plating, obviously), and make sure you're using Federal primers that are consistently seated to below flush. Edited April 15, 2006 by Carmoney Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aerosigns Posted April 16, 2006 Share Posted April 16, 2006 I have begun the mass loading now. Using Federal 150's, hand seated. Like you said Mike, I am holding at my latest point. The big difference was the crimping which I didn't have tight enough. When I read Steve's post it got me thinking in the right direction. Put the big crimp to it. As an added measure I am visually checking each case for powder level prior to seating the bullet. Just to make absolutely sure I don't have a squibb at a bad time. Only thing left to do now is not over sleep Sunday morning. Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgkeller Posted April 19, 2006 Author Share Posted April 19, 2006 Are Clays loads tempature sensitive? BTW I got 760 with 3.9 Clays and 230 LRN .451 bullet at 1.24. 3.8 loads had a few at 710. Thanks to all who replied. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlktheduk Posted April 20, 2006 Share Posted April 20, 2006 rqkeller: I haven't found Clays to be very temperature sensitive, in a range of 25 degrees F to 80 degrees F, at least. Based on the advice of others on this forum, I switched from Titegroup to Clays for my .45ACP loads this year. 4 grains Clays with 230 grain Rainier plated round nose, Federal LP 150 primers, 5" Smith & Wesson Model 625 revolver, December 2005: average 734 FPS, for a Power Factor of 168.82 January 2006: average 745 FPS, for a Power Factor of 171.35 February 2006: average 736 FPS, for a Power Factor of 169.28 March 2006: average 746 FPS, for a Power Factor of 171.58 April 2006: average 735 FPS, for a Power Factor of 169.05 (6 shot strings, at 10') So far so good.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted April 21, 2006 Share Posted April 21, 2006 bowhuntr9, I moved your "making" major question and the responses into their very own thread: http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=34837 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8ring Posted April 24, 2006 Share Posted April 24, 2006 Clays and 230 gr. lead round nose in my 5" barrel SW 625 3.8 gr Clays, 1.250 AOL, Fed 150 primers. Three six shot strings Low 748 754 745 High 772 789 779 Ave. 759 767 760 ES 24 25 34 SD 8.88 9.84 11.7 4.0gr Clays, same OAL and primer Low 745 790 790 High 820 810 800 Ave. 786 804 795 ES Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek45 Posted April 24, 2006 Share Posted April 24, 2006 (edited) I stopped shooting RNL but... From My old notes . . . Clays 3.8 230gr. D&J hardcast RNL 766 fps av. 176 PF. 5" 1911 KART ============== Clays 3.8 230gr. D&J hardcast RNL 793 fps. 5" S&W 625 revolver. Edited April 24, 2006 by Derek45 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aerosigns Posted April 24, 2006 Share Posted April 24, 2006 Fresh from the Chrono at the WI section. 230 Gr. Ranier Plated / Scale weight 230.0 3.9 Gr. Clays Shot 1 - 753 Shot 2 - 719 Shot 3 - 745 Avg. - 739 PF 170.0 The crimp tip from Mike made all the difference for me. Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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