Harmon Posted January 10, 2006 Share Posted January 10, 2006 (edited) with my new major neener pistol expected by the end of the month, im looking at this hirtenberger sub gun ammo as a easy way to get some ready loaded 9mm major ammo to put up for when i dont have time or feel like loading any ammo. I assume it will make maj0r in a 5 inch gun...as i think i remember 9major-caspian say it makes major in his 4.5 inch 9mm. Is this stuff clean? or loaded with HS6 or the likes? I guess im gonna have to get a case to try... Edited January 10, 2006 by harmongreer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric nielsen Posted January 10, 2006 Share Posted January 10, 2006 Bought a case. Burns fairly clean, doesn't smell very good [compared to SP2 or Viht], pretty loud, hits my hand pretty hard. PRIMERS are an issue - hard as H**L to set off, much harder than CCI small rifle. Very good quality brass and bullets. Made 161pf in my Open Glock - 5.1" KKM barrel and 3 blowholes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Middle Man Posted January 10, 2006 Share Posted January 10, 2006 +1 on the loud and funny smelling factors I stand well back of the open shooters I see loading mags out of those little cardboard boxes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Meek Posted January 10, 2006 Share Posted January 10, 2006 As with any factory, you gets what you get as to how much the muzzle will flip and how it feels in your hand. But it is always nice to know in a pinch what will work. Another option to try is the 127gr JHP +p+ ranger ammo from Winchester. Rob Leatham claims it will make major out of his open gun. It is a little more pricey than the hirtenberger but again it is always nice to have options. Case in point, Indoor match tonight, sat down to load ammo last night and broke the ram shoulder bolt on my RCBS Auto 4x4. So knowing what else I can use is a plus at thie moment. BTW I have had the RCBS Auto 4x4 since 88 or 89 and this is the first part breakage. Already called RCBS and new bolt is on the way Alan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iainmcphersn Posted January 10, 2006 Share Posted January 10, 2006 As with any factory, you gets what you get as to how much the muzzle will flip and how it feels in your hand. But it is always nice to know in a pinch what will work.Another option to try is the 127gr JHP +p+ ranger ammo from Winchester. Rob Leatham claims it will make major out of his open gun. It is a little more pricey than the hirtenberger but again it is always nice to have options. Case in point, Indoor match tonight, sat down to load ammo last night and broke the ram shoulder bolt on my RCBS Auto 4x4. So knowing what else I can use is a plus at thie moment. BTW I have had the RCBS Auto 4x4 since 88 or 89 and this is the first part breakage. Already called RCBS and new bolt is on the way Alan Do you have a source for the Ranger ammo? Winchester usually reserves it for law enforcement only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rtr Posted January 10, 2006 Share Posted January 10, 2006 Do you have a source for the Ranger ammo? Winchester usually reserves it for law enforcement only. This guy jwkpatrick@yahoo.com sells it, bought a bunch from him just a couple of weeks ago, everything went fine. Per THIS post the 127gr +P+ stuff is $18/box of 50 plus shipping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 Do you have a source for the Ranger ammo? Winchester usually reserves it for law enforcement only. http://mahsupplies.net/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianATL Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 Hits hard in the hand. Makes major in my commander length with two holes. Downside is the primers, about a 20% failure rate to detonate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokarev Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 Have you guys reporting dud primers tried sticking an extra power mainspring in your pistols? That might cure the misfires. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Meek Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 Actually we have a local gun shop that stocks the Ranger Ammo. So I have not really done an searching on the we for a supplier. Alan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric nielsen Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 (edited) I'm guessing a 19 or 20-lb mainspring & long FP would set off the Hirtenberger pretty well but I shot mine thru a Glock so I don't know. My STI is a 38super. I gave Sandro [senna] a box to try in his Limcat SV 9x19 so maybe he can say yes or no. If you see me at a match in central FL and shoot Major 9, just ask, I'll probably have a box of the stuff in the trunk of my car. Edited January 11, 2006 by eric nielsen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobert1 Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 (edited) Here is a link on another great forum that was the source for my Ranger +P+ ammo. Great guy to work with. http://www.hs2000talk.com/viewtopic.php?t=22368 Edited January 11, 2006 by bobert1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harmon Posted January 14, 2006 Author Share Posted January 14, 2006 my gun has a dawson hyperdrive firing pin and a 17 pound mainspring..Extreme engineering trigger group..i think it should set em off. I work at the local sheriffs office, LE only ammo is easy to get. wonder what winchester loads that SXT load with? i figure its gonna be super slow and really dense. they seem pretty clean in my glock... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Meek Posted January 14, 2006 Share Posted January 14, 2006 Harmon, I am trying to find out what Wincheseter is using in the 127gr +P+ SXT Ranger load. I have pulled one apart and the charge weighed ~7.5gr. It is not that dense as there is a ton of room left in the case. I did not use a kinetic pullet puller so I was able to look in the case and observe the powder level. Alan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric nielsen Posted January 14, 2006 Share Posted January 14, 2006 Was it a ball powder? You might compare it to Winchester Super Field & see if it looks the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harmon Posted January 15, 2006 Author Share Posted January 15, 2006 its a good possibility that is WSF or HS6 or something very similar. Probably WSF though.... it would be neat if they made a "white box" version to sell to IPSC shooters. im gonna try some WSF with 135 grain zeros...and some HS6 too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Meek Posted January 15, 2006 Share Posted January 15, 2006 Looks to be a flattened ball powder silvery in color. I do have some WSF on hand and does not look close. Also I have played with WSF loads and also no comparison in load weights. The great mystery will continue for now. Alan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shred Posted January 15, 2006 Share Posted January 15, 2006 Got any Power Pistol to compare it to? I heard that's a common powder for factory loads and the charge weight sounds about right. It's a greyish flattened ball powder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Meek Posted January 15, 2006 Share Posted January 15, 2006 Shred, I don't have any Power Pistol but I know somebody that does so I will get a sample and see how it compares Alan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harmon Posted January 15, 2006 Author Share Posted January 15, 2006 power pistol fills a 9mm case up a bit at 7.5 grians. thats my major 38 super load...out of MY gun it goes 1390 fps with a precision delta 124. alan, you should try you some power pistol...it feels pretty good in my super.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diehli Posted January 16, 2006 Share Posted January 16, 2006 I sent an email through Winchester's site. Wonder if it could be 296. This propellant was developed for Winchester factory loaded ammunition for 357 magnum, 44 magnum and 410 bore. Its high loading density provides optimal velocity. 296 is widely accepted as the standard for 410 bore shotshell. However, 296 is not suitable for most rifle cartridges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Meek Posted January 16, 2006 Share Posted January 16, 2006 hmmm, don't have any 296 in my cabinet to double check. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shred Posted January 16, 2006 Share Posted January 16, 2006 296 is H-110 from what everybody says. I'm guessing it'll take a lot more than 7.5gr of H110 to push a 127gr 9mm to Major Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diehli Posted January 16, 2006 Share Posted January 16, 2006 296 is H-110 from what everybody says. I'm guessing it'll take a lot more than 7.5gr of H110 to push a 127gr 9mm to Major Ah. Well, my first question was "what's the powder?" and my second was "is it available commercially?" Guess we'll see either mañana or Wednesday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harmon Posted January 19, 2006 Author Share Posted January 19, 2006 tried H110 in the super, Nowhere near enough powder capacity to make major..shot soft though.. Ill be ordering some of the Hirtenberger stuff to try this week...plus some trusty HS6 loads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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