High-Round count CZ SP01 (Non-shadow)?

[DenC]

Hi Everyone,

Been interested in the 9mm CZ SP01, non-shadow, manual safety, with fpb version for quite a while now. (I think the SKU is 89152 according the CZ custom website).

Is there anymore here with a high round count on this particular model?

I ask because there have been some reports of the slide failing in the past at relatively low round counts.

Here is a link where one sheared off the dust cover : 

 

 

And there is mention of this in another site (pistol-forum.com). 

 

So it seems like this was a thing. In fairness, the thread above was back in 2015 and the thread in pistol-forum was back in 2016. According to a gentleman named Slavex in pistol-forum, CZ was already aware of the issue and replaced the slides?/pistols of customers who experienced this failure. CZ USA also replaced the slide for our member in this forum.

I am not in the USA so doing a warranty claim is impossible in case something like this happens. Plus if US customers cant get a factory replacement or a second sllde nowadays (usually to mount optics), it would be impossible then in my situation.  Wanted to know if this issue has been resolved by CZ, perhaps on newer production units of this particular model.

So to all who have put a lot of rounds through this model, how many rounds have you put though it (without the slide breaking) and what year was your gun manufactured?

Thanks in advance.

 

Edited April 25 by DenC

[rowdyb]

For the right price it won't matter

[Bhayden]

I've got 2 with about 20,000 rounds through them. The only failure I've had is 1 slide stop. Manufactured in 2015.

[GeneBray]

I have an SP01 purchased in early 2006.  No SKU on box.  UPC 06793-01153-3.  Round count is ~70,655.  Most of the rounds are 124/125 gr FMJ at 1,050 fps (aka 130 PF).  I've fired 95, 115, 121, 124, 125, 130, 147, 160 gr bullets thru the pistol.  Frame is good.  Pistol still shoots better than I can.,  Burned out the barrel at ~60,100 rnds and replaced.  My pistol does like 0.356" bullets to 0.355".  Is significantly more accurate with the 0.356".  

Edited April 26 by GeneBray
corrected a spelling error.

[DenC]

Thanks for all your replies.

As far as I can tell it seems to be a particular batch/batches? of SP01s had this issue.

I tried emailing CZ International but haven't gotten a reply. 

I'm guessing (only guessing though) that if I buy a newer production unit, say something made 2020 onwards, I should not run into this problem, hopefully. 

Just saw the the gentleman I mentioned named @slavex in pistol-forum is also a member here  Hope he can share more info on what he got from CZ during that time regarding the matter. Though it was back in 2016 

 

[slavex]

Hoooboy, @DenC that's some necro posting from Pistol Forum lol. 

Yeah I've seen a few friends have slides break at the spring box on older SP01 Shadows, not the tactical if memory serves, just the regular Shadows. Spring box would detach from the bottom of the slide and then recoil rod would take off. CZ always replaced the slide. If I remember right, none were super high round count guns, they were all fairly new and CZ identified the issue from specific batches of casting. Probably too many Pepsi cans in that batch or Ladas or something. 

I've seen two newer Shadow 2s break (maybe 3 even) at the breach face, breaks were near identical, and those slides were also replaced by CZ (this was a couple years ago). No idea what the issue was there or round counts on those guns. 

Between all my CZs I'm at about 1.25 million rounds through them all, with a couple guns over 200k (old Shadows). All I've ever broken are slide stops and TRS and firing pin springs. Plus a couple front sights. 

[DenC]

Thanks for chiming in @slavex! 

Wow! That's a lot of rounds through CZs. 

Again thanks to all who have responded.

I think I will be pretty good with a recent manufacture SP01.

 

Hope they didnt use too many soda cans in later casting batches. More Skodas may actually be fine  

[perttime]

Slide stops has been mentioned... CZ owners in general seem to keep a spare slide stop or two. One approach that I've seen is: a used one for practice, an almost new one for matches, and one as the actual spare.

[IHAVEGAS]

Slide stops and trigger return springs are good spares to have. I have only broken one of each but can confirm they do break eventually. CZ custom makes a different design of slide stop which might be more robust. 

[yigal]

6 hours ago, DenC said:

 

 

Hope they didnt use too many soda cans in later casting batches. More Skodas may actually be fine  

Do not count on it . 

 

On 5/4/2024 at 11:26 PM, slavex said:

Hoooboy, @DenC that's some necro posting from Pistol Forum lol. 

Yeah I've seen a few friends have slides break at the spring box on older SP01 Shadows, not the tactical if memory serves, just the regular Shadows. Spring box would detach from the bottom of the slide and then recoil rod would take off. CZ always replaced the slide. If I remember right, none were super high round count guns, they were all fairly new and CZ identified the issue from specific batches of casting. Probably too many Pepsi cans in that batch or Ladas or something. 

I've seen two newer Shadow 2s break (maybe 3 even) at the breach face, breaks were near identical, and those slides were also replaced by CZ (this was a couple years ago). No idea what the issue was there or round counts on those guns. 

Between all my CZs I'm at about 1.25 million rounds through them all, with a couple guns over 200k (old Shadows). All I've ever broken are slide stops and TRS and firing pin springs. Plus a couple front sights. 

How did you forget  sk. ?You had no problems because they built them for you from your old Volvo.

Edited May 7 by yigal

[yigal]

5 hours ago, perttime said:

Slide stops has been mentioned... CZ owners in general seem to keep a spare slide stop or two. One approach that I've seen is: a used one for practice, an almost new one for matches, and one as the actual spare.

A member of the club was preparing for the European Championship and since he had a bad experience with a Shadow 2 that cracked, he bought 2 more. One was for training and the other for competitions. A week before the championship I checked his pistols and they both had cracks. where one with 15k and the other with 2k only .

[GeneBray]

Must be good steel in old Russian T-34 tanks.  

Edited May 8 by GeneBray
Correct spelling

[GeneBray]

19 hours ago, perttime said:

Slide stops has been mentioned... CZ owners in general seem to keep a spare slide stop or two. One approach that I've seen is: a used one for practice, an almost new one for matches, and one as the actual spare.

Broke several early on an SP01 and then it stopped. Suspect a manufacturing with either poor QC order materials and/or

manufacturing. 

[yigal]

5 hours ago, GeneBray said:

Must be good steel in old Russian T-34 tanks.  

The early models were made of good steel, probably spring steel, and it was very difficult to drill into the frame, slide stop  was always a casting . If they had made the  slide stop  like  Tenfoglio it would have held much longer.