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.38 Long Colt Die Setup


4n2t0

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Sorry, the search on this site still seems to be broken. I couldn't even find the information querying the forum externally (site: www.brianenos.com long+colt).

 

Will standard .38/.357 Dillon dies, on a Dillon 650, seat and crimp .38 long colt? Or will I need 9mm seat and crimp dies? I have both, but I'd prefer not to have to constantly swap dies around.

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Seems like they should work, 38 LC is only 0.125" shorter. But, I do see that Lee has different sizer SKUs:

357 Mag: 90530

38 Special: 90964

38 Long Colt: 91207

38 Short Colt: 91207

 

I just happen to know where Lee keeps these, but you can probably find it for Dillon too...

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I shoot target level loads in my 38 Long Colt revolvers and have done so for years. I use std. 38spl cases, Std primer, 3 gr W231 and a 158 gr wadcutter makes for a very light load.

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Thanks for the info everyone. I'm waiting for a trimmer to arrive so I can chop my specials to long colt. I'll start with the .38/.357 dies and see if they'll reach. I'll be loading a coated 158gr SWC.

 

I'll update this thread sometime next week with my results (or lack thereof).

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ok now i gotta ask why ?  If you have an old long colt revolver it would take short ammo that is readily available.
If its for matches using a SWC defeats the purpose of the shorter case as far as reload speed.  Ad if you just want target ammo,, why not just load it in 38 ?
Oh and you will probably end up swaging the lead or bulging the brass if you cut down 38's... many get a bit thicker as you go down.

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It's a good question Joe4d. None of the above, lol.

 

I'll be shooting these through a S&W 66 in a non-competitive setting (plinking fun, plate rack, steel etc.). I want cleaner ejection. The special cases get stuck near the frame. I'm only going to make up 50 or so, from useless Hornady FTX cases, to see if it works out. If not, I might stay with specials or give mid colt/short colt with a RN bullet a try.

 

P.S. I'm middle-aged, childless, and single. What else am I going to do with my time?

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5 hours ago, Joe4d said:

in that case why would you want cleaner ejection,, now you gotta bend over and pick em all up..
 

 

So true...

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Oh, just an fyi. If you're loading for a modern .357 gun, 9mm load data is a good starting place for .38 Short Colt.

 

DO NOT USE 9mm LOAD DATA IN OLD .38 SHORT COLT GUNS.

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15 hours ago, Joe4d said:

ok now i gotta ask why ?  If you have an old long colt revolver it would take short ammo that is readily available.
If its for matches using a SWC defeats the purpose of the shorter case as far as reload speed.  Ad if you just want target ammo,, why not just load it in 38 ?
Oh and you will probably end up swaging the lead or bulging the brass if you cut down 38's... many get a bit thicker as you go down.

My 38 Mid loads are @ .900.

Why?

Why not?

I cut down 2K with a trimmer cutter on a drill. Cut to .925 and power trimmed them to .900 on the trimmer. 

Those cases do get thicker as you cut toward the rim. I could never get under about .850.

I was trying for 38 Super length so i could use that data. They shoot great and 2K will last almost forever using moon clips. (Which I realize the O.P. doesn't use)

Never quite got how some whining is always posted about certain kinds of experimentation. But never toward the "big name" people who have experimented with everything under the sun! That is where a lot of discoveries have been made and always will.

O.P. shoot what you want! Have fun! Experiment!

When you think about reloading Blazer aluminum cases, just ask. I got that covered too!

Oh and BTW, I use a standard .357 sizing die, a cut down powder through flare die and a 9mm Lee FC die. My 38 loads are all taper crimped because some of my coated bullets don't have grooves. My magnum loads are roll crimped.

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Thanks for the words of encouragement and info Dr. Phil, I really appreciate it. 

 

I'll let you guys know how it goes sometime next week. 

 

Cheers!

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