LordManHammer Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 I believe this thread may be a good indicator why PCSL will eventually become more popular than USPSA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schutzenmeister Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 @RJH With all respect ... My reading of your previous post(s) gives me the impression you neither see nor appreciate the concomitant skills of being in an awkward position at the start, the need to retrieve a firearm - which may very well (by law) be unloaded, load it and engage someone breaking down the door to your bedroom in an expeditious matter. These are skill sets endemic to the art of Practical shooting. My reading of your post(s) imparts to me that we should be shooting nothing but full-tilt run-and-gun 32-round stages. (Perhaps I exaggerate slightly. If so, please forgive me.) While I enjoy these, there is limited ground, if any, to call these “Practical.” These are fantasy, pure and simple. Fantasy can be fun, but I submit the ability to respond quickly and decisively to a more “normal” threat level (say 3-5 targets) is far more realistic and, in my experience, far more difficult to so do with a winning HF. There’s simply NO time to correct a bobbled load or to hesitate on a target. Generally speaking, there’s some time you can make up in a longer course by being able to, for example, out run your competition over 50 yards. (I speak from experience … I used to be younger and I used to do that!) Nevertheless, that doesn’t make the course defensive OR practical. Can it be fun. Sure. But we also need some courses in there that test other skills too. (I include SHO and WHO in this category, to a reasonable extent.) Let’s not through out the baby with the bath water! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motosapiens Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 2 hours ago, barry said: Uspsa has never been a pure shooting contest. Has always had problem solving as a large part of it. Either physical or mental problem solving. correct.this is one of. the main attractions for me over other shooting sports. if some people hate that, they can do steel challenge or some other standstill sport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe4d Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 Humm so its looking like I wont be able to fund my retirement from the 3, 22 round 40 cal 140mm mags I have Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJH Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 16 minutes ago, Schutzenmeister said: @RJH With all respect ... My reading of your previous post(s) gives me the impression you neither see nor appreciate the concomitant skills of being in an awkward position at the start, the need to retrieve a firearm - which may very well (by law) be unloaded, load it and engage someone breaking down the door to your bedroom in an expeditious matter. These are skill sets endemic to the art of Practical shooting. My reading of your post(s) imparts to me that we should be shooting nothing but full-tilt run-and-gun 32-round stages. (Perhaps I exaggerate slightly. If so, please forgive me.) While I enjoy these, there is limited ground, if any, to call these “Practical.” These are fantasy, pure and simple. Fantasy can be fun, but I submit the ability to respond quickly and decisively to a more “normal” threat level (say 3-5 targets) is far more realistic and, in my experience, far more difficult to so do with a winning HF. There’s simply NO time to correct a bobbled load or to hesitate on a target. Generally speaking, there’s some time you can make up in a longer course by being able to, for example, out run your competition over 50 yards. (I speak from experience … I used to be younger and I used to do that!) Nevertheless, that doesn’t make the course defensive OR practical. Can it be fun. Sure. But we also need some courses in there that test other skills too. (I include SHO and WHO in this category, to a reasonable extent.) Let’s not through out the baby with the bath water! First off, concomitant, good word. I'm fairly well read and I don't believe I've ever come across that before. So if I've learned nothing else today I have learned what concomitant means. I don't have any issues having a bedtime unloaded start. My post on that subject was actually kind of tongue in cheek. I just find it humorous how some people are fine with one kind of physical activity but not another, and want to justify what they like and condemn whatever they disagree with. "Realistic" doesn't really matter, gun handling skills is what matters. For "realistic," IDPA may be a little bit closer, but IDK on that So yes, we should have some bedtime unloaded starts, we should also have some sprints intermingled as well, we should have low ports, we should have Cooper tunnels, and we should have prone, along with whatever other physical challenges I'm not thinking of. No, they shouldn't be on every stage but, they should happen occasionally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJH Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 6 minutes ago, Joe4d said: Humm so its looking like I wont be able to fund my retirement from the 3, 22 round 40 cal 140mm mags I have If you have some of those voodoo applied 22 round 40 mags you should just get an optic and shoot that thing in limited optics, assuming it's a 2011 or some other Sao gun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe4d Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 Concomitant..... why I love this forum... Can feel good about getting insulted when you have to look the word up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schutzenmeister Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 @RJH Didn't really stop to think about words ... That one just rolled out 'cause it fit what I was trying to say! Seems I owe you a bit of an apology. Reading what you just posted I think we're more on the same page than I originally thought. To everything you said, the most pertinent is probably "No, they shouldn't be on every stage but, they should happen occasionally." So true of so many things! @Joe4d Glad I made you feel better! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe4d Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 thanks,, we should all meet at a hooters after a match.. we would all get along.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schutzenmeister Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 I wish we still had a Hooters in ND ... I really used to like their . . . . . . . . . . . Clam chowder! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Phil Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 35 minutes ago, Joe4d said: thanks,, we should all meet at a hooters after a match.. we would all get along.. Now what might be concomitant with a Hooters meeting??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schutzenmeister Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 50 minutes ago, Dr. Phil said: Now what might be concomitant with a Hooters meeting??? Why, beer and good times ... Duh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Phil Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 18 hours ago, Schutzenmeister said: Why, beer and good times ... Duh! LOL! Shoulda known! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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