rtr Posted December 30, 2005 Share Posted December 30, 2005 Are there any female GMs in any division? Has a female ever won a division outright in an IPSC/USPSA level II or above match? (I don't ask these questions as a dig on women, I'm just curious. And no I'm neither a GM or have won a division outright in any match). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reneet Posted December 30, 2005 Share Posted December 30, 2005 There are no female GMs. Nor has any woman won a division outright at Area or Higher level match. I do however seem to remember Kay winning the LA state Open title many years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rtr Posted December 30, 2005 Author Share Posted December 30, 2005 LA state Open title I presume that was a level II match? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reneet Posted December 30, 2005 Share Posted December 30, 2005 LA state Open title I presume that was a level II match? Not sure but most likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rtr Posted December 30, 2005 Author Share Posted December 30, 2005 So if I can ask, and I ask this without prejudice or judgement, why aren't there any female GMs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimberkid Posted December 30, 2005 Share Posted December 30, 2005 The ladies are just being kind enough not to hurt our egos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al503 Posted December 30, 2005 Share Posted December 30, 2005 It's a matter of the total number of shooters. How many GM guys are there per all men shooters? I don't know the answer but they are an elite group. If there were as many women shooters, there would be GM's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritinUSA Posted December 30, 2005 Share Posted December 30, 2005 So if I can ask, and I ask this without prejudice or judgement, why aren't there any female GMs? They (women) are getting closer and closer to this level. There is certainly no physical reason why a woman cannot achieve GM or win a Level III, IV or V overall. Generally speaking (and not wishing to sound like a low-life, male-chauvanist) women have different - and higher - priorities than shooting. There is also not much in the way of sponsorship for women, at least that I can see. I suspect that the first division to have a lady GM will be Production, the lower level of recoil experienced by minor guns reduces any perceived difference in body strength needed to control muzzle flip. My money is on Julie G to be the first lady GM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rtr Posted December 30, 2005 Author Share Posted December 30, 2005 Anybody know approximately how many total USPSA members there are, and then how many of each gender? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimberkid Posted December 30, 2005 Share Posted December 30, 2005 I may be wrong, but I can think of several sponsored women shooters. If I am wrong someone please correct me, but Julie is with Glock, Limcat has Athena and Cheryl, Kay has several sponsors if I recall, Angie Kelley with Sig, Caylor Custom I thought sponosored 2 women, and others I could think of if I sat and tried. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shred Posted December 30, 2005 Share Posted December 30, 2005 I have a great knack of finishing next to (usually just behind ) the top lady at major matches. 2004 Steel Challenge I was right next to Athena, Area 4 2005, Kay, At World Shoot XIV, Gabrielle Kraushoffer. Anyway.. these ladies are all shooting at a solid Master level (at one point I was at 93% according to USPSA), so it's only a matter of time before somebody strings together the right classifiers at the right time. That may be part of it-- pretty much nobody is making GM in Open or Limited (where the majority of the top ladies play) by major match finish anymore, and the top ladies, being sponsored, shoot lots of major matches, and less club matches with reshootable classifiers. I have also noticed that most all the ladies at my level are sponsored and I'm not, but then again they're much cuter than I am. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richardschennberg Posted December 30, 2005 Share Posted December 30, 2005 College scholarships dictate that most women who want to shoot will start with smallbore rifle. Also, all most enlisted personnel in all branches of service in the US use a rifle as their primary service weapon. About 10 years ago one woman won the NRA military service rifle match and another woman won a sporting rifle category. Women have finished high in rifle matches for a long time, and a few have made their mark in international shotgun competition, but are still fewer in numbers than men. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric nielsen Posted December 30, 2005 Share Posted December 30, 2005 I thought Sheila Brey won an Area 7 match a while back. Maybe TJ or someone won the match and she was Area 7 Champion? First female Master class shooter if I remember right... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lim10gm Posted December 30, 2005 Share Posted December 30, 2005 I thought Lisa was the the first Master.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reneet Posted December 30, 2005 Share Posted December 30, 2005 (edited) Sheila Brey was the 1st Open Lady Master. If Lisa hasn't made Master in Limited yet, I'm sure she'll be the 1st Female Limited Master. Edited December 30, 2005 by reneet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bgary Posted December 30, 2005 Share Posted December 30, 2005 Sheila Brey was the 1st Open Lady Master If I recall correctly, didn't Laurie Kraynick make Master, too, not long after Sheila? If Lisa hasn't made Master in Limited yet, I'm sure she'll be the 1st Female Limited Master Yes, Lisa is M in both Open and Limited. Bruce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reneet Posted December 30, 2005 Share Posted December 30, 2005 Sheila Brey was the 1st Open Lady Master If I recall correctly, didn't Laurie Kraynick make Master, too, not long after Sheila? If Lisa hasn't made Master in Limited yet, I'm sure she'll be the 1st Female Limited Master Yes, Lisa is M in both Open and Limited. Bruce Thanks Bruce. I couldn't recall her name. You're absolutely right. The others that I know of on the short list of Lady Masters include Kay (of course) and Tonda (who was on our last world shoot team). I just spoke with Tonda's husband and told him to have her join us here on the forums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric nielsen Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 Found it: 2000 Area_7_Championship The following are the Area 7 Champions (These are the highest scoring individuals who reside in Area 7): Open Sheila Brey Limited Butch Rupe Limited 10 Chuck DiSalvo Production Milford Lovett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wakal Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 Just as an interesting aside to this discussion, the current SASS World Champion is a female, and rather a young one at that. Alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Moneypenny Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 Honestly I don't think women place as high of a value on a classification card as men do, if so many could game it to GM by hitting just the right classifiers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpolans Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 Sheila Brey was the 1st Open Lady Master. If Lisa hasn't made Master in Limited yet, I'm sure she'll be the 1st Female Limited Master. What about Debbie James? I thought she was the first Master, way back when??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carmoney Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 Just as an interesting aside to this discussion, the current SASS World Champion is a female, and rather a young one at that. Alex, I believe you have been misinformed. Holy Terror finished fifth place overall. http://www.sassnet.com/EoT/results/05/Matc...5MatchFinal.pdf (....still an outstanding performance considering there were around 800 shooters participating in that match....) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSeevers Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 I think Debbie quit before the GM class began, I don't think she made M either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
driver8M3 Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 (edited) There is also not much in the way of sponsorship for women, at least that I can see.for men...it's usually GM first...then sponsorship. how many non-GM, sponsored men are there? Edited December 31, 2005 by driver8M3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lim10gm Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 (edited) There are less women than men in the sport, but still, there's a lot of physicalness involved in making GM. Typically men are just faster and stronger. Why aren't there any female major league baseball players? Edited December 31, 2005 by lim10gm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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