ktyler Posted November 10, 2005 Share Posted November 10, 2005 Greetings fellow Mongoose shooters, I am looking to see what you all have tried and are currently shooting. I have been using True Blue and have tried Power Pistol. I am looking for something cleaner and with less of pressure spike than TB. I am also to cheap to purchase Vitv. After shooting a friends open gun I realized how much dot movement I was having. Now startes the quest for a better powder. Sound off with your experience and reasons why you like one over the other. Also, have any of you tired a recoil master in your gun? curious if they work well or not. Ktyler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianATL Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 I can't wait for to hear some of this info. Just acquired a "new to me" Mongoose this week. So some help on what reloading components to order would be great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 (edited) Well, I've tried: HS6 .. Not bad, but a little dirty HS7 .. Temp sensitive, inconsistent, and really dirty. Also seems to not be produced anymore True Blue .. Seemed ok, but I had to go .5 grain more than others had, and I had concerns about the pressure spike that others noted. 3N38 .. Pricy, and had a huge fireball out of the Comp Stayed away from 3N37 due to JL's concerns about flame temperature. SP2 .. Works well, but negatives are that it tends to jam the Powder measure, and the fact that it's supply is limited. Ones that really did not work at all: WSF.. Velocity did not increase at a point when adding powder.. stopped RIGHT there 4756 You just can't get enough powder in the case to make major. All that said, I'm using SP2 right now, my second choice would be HS6. Take a look at the GREAT thread that 9Major-Caspian started, http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=12740 and know that you may have to go a couple of tenths one way or the other. I have 2 Hardy Mongooses (Mongeese?) and they chrono differently. One more thread to look at is a poll as to what people are using for 9mm major, http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=29351 Brian, See me at a match and I can Give ya an earfull , I'll be a Cherokee this weekend! Ktyler. I may be incorrect, but I don't think they make a recoil master for a Commander Slide, so that is a moot point. JL recommends a 9 lb Wolff Variable recoil spring. Carl Edited November 11, 2005 by Carl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianATL Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 (edited) Carl, I would love to talk with you, hoping to shoot the limited gun at cherokee this weekend if schedule falls into place. Edited November 11, 2005 by BrianATL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjc1677 Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 You made a great choice with one of JL's guns. I have had mine for about 2.5 months and love it. I am currently using SP2 ( Bought 20 lbs last year). I have not tried any other powders but I plan on testing some Trublue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjc1677 Posted January 6, 2006 Share Posted January 6, 2006 Brian, How do you like the mongoose?? My Hardy 9 is still going strong after 6k rounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandro Posted January 6, 2006 Share Posted January 6, 2006 I also think HS6 is too dirty, but it sure works well in my gun. I tried every load combination you can think of 3N38, N350, HS6, 3N37, N105, IMR 7625 and SP2. SP2 was the best overall powder, but not as soft as IMR 7625. IMR 7625 is a pain in 9mm “major” because the case is SO full, but it shoots REALLY nice. I was shooting HS6 but just switched back to N350. I wish I could find some SP2… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianATL Posted January 6, 2006 Share Posted January 6, 2006 So far so good, I have only but 600 rounds or so through mine. Been working up a match load with HS-6 with Zero 125's has not been excessively dirty for me. Haven't shot mine in a match yet but that's soon to change next weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Posted January 6, 2006 Share Posted January 6, 2006 Haven't shot mine in a match yet but that's soon to change next weekend. See ya at Cherokee! Hope it's not going to be as cold as it is THIS weekend! ( ok I know it's Georgia cold ) Carl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianATL Posted January 6, 2006 Share Posted January 6, 2006 It is definitely Georgia cold today was planning on shooting Griffin Steel Challenge match today but just to cold and windy for me. Any great ideas on "mongoose" steel loads? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harmon Posted January 8, 2006 Share Posted January 8, 2006 CCI blazer if it will work the gun!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cpty1 Posted January 8, 2006 Share Posted January 8, 2006 (edited) Want to avoid too much thread drift here, but I shot the Griffin Steel Match Saturday afternoon and it turned out to be a decent day weather wise and it was a great match to boot. I shot Winchester White Box and had no issues with function in my Hardy gun. I probably could have stayed with the 9 pound spring I run for major loads, but ended up cutting back an ISMI 6 pound spring. Probably could have played around with different springs or loads and had a better combination, but I figured there's only so much that can be done with an open gun primarily designed for major loads as opposed to a gun specifically built for Steel Challenge type shooting. Edited January 8, 2006 by cpty1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianATL Posted January 8, 2006 Share Posted January 8, 2006 Chris, I usually get about 1 in 30 of the winchester white box to hang in the ejection port with the 9 lb spring. I was thinking the lighter spring would solve this issue your experience seems to confirm this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cpty1 Posted January 8, 2006 Share Posted January 8, 2006 I only shot 500 to 600 rounds of the WWB including the match, so that may not be a big enough sampling to say the combination is 100% reliable long term, but it was 100% for me and the number of rounds I fired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harmon Posted August 1, 2006 Share Posted August 1, 2006 anyone tried ramshot silhouette in the hardy? its easy to make 180 pf in my 5 inch gun, shouldnt be too much of a pain in a 4.5 incher. harmon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokshwn Posted August 1, 2006 Share Posted August 1, 2006 (edited) I know a lot of folks have complaints about the Vhit powders as far as price goes but in a lot of respects they are worth it. The thing that turned the corner for me was actually breaking down the prices. I realize the charge weights may change by a couple of tenths, but over a few thousand rounds I think 8 grains would be a fair comparison. Here's an example: Ramshot Silhouette priced at Powder valley in 4lb containers would run you right at 1.4 cents per round assuming an 8gr powder charge. Vhit 3n38 which I believe one of JL's recommends is only 2 cents per round for the same charge weight. (PV prices as well) What this amounts to over 10k rds in a year is sixty dollars. I realize that is a fair chunk of money, however given that you are shooting open and spent the money on the gun and equipment in order to be on the cutting edge of the sport it didn't make sense to me to scrimp on the cheapest component in the reloading scheme. Good luck, Craig Edited August 1, 2006 by smokshwn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azone41 Posted August 1, 2006 Share Posted August 1, 2006 HS-6 and N350 work very well. 3N38 takes a lot of powder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbosik Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 (edited) Hardy 4.5 and silhouette 9 major load? (merged thread) i have a mongoose 4.5 barrel with 2 holes it seems like i am gonna need 8.1-8.2 to make major using mg 121 gr and hardy rec 1.150 oal..seems like a lot of powder,,anyone out there shooting one of these critters..i am using fed sm rifle and they seem to flatten even with my 5"sv at less powder, i think that is due to it being a soft primer,,mostly my concern is powder charge,,any other rec? Edited April 22, 2009 by Flexmoney Merged threads Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbosik Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 btw, it seems that J.L has these short chambered and that 1.150 was his rec oal, i am thinking about having it cut deeper, i am using sv mags and no spacers,,function is fine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JThompson Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 (edited) i have a mongoose 4.5 barrel with 2 holes it seems like i am gonna need 8.1-8.2 to make major using mg 121 gr and hardy rec 1.150 oal..seems like a lot of powder,,anyone out there shooting one of these critters..i am using fed sm rifle and they seem to flatten even with my 5"sv at less powder, i think that is due to it being a soft primer,,mostly my concern is powder charge,,any other rec? I go lower than that... start at 7.2 or .4 and go up a .2 steps I make major with 115 at 8.2 and I know some others that make it at 7.6 or .8 with 115s I'd like to see that OAL longer too. If you run it that short you are really going to have to watch for pressure. I think minimum of 1.165 for 9 Open, but I'm not an expert. Edited April 22, 2009 by JThompson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hitman Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 (edited) In my full length 9 Major I run 7.7 behind a 124 for a 169. Added at 1.156 to 1.158 Edited April 22, 2009 by hitman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hitman_usmc Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 I'm similar to hitman, I run a 5" 9 major at 7.8 grns behind 124's to make 170ish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMC Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 (edited) Just an FYI, I have experienced a big difference between lots of Shilouette shooting Zero 125's My last can, bought in 2007, only needed 7.0 to make 165 in my new 5" 3 port hybrid. My new can bought 4 months ago is taking 7.6 for the same pf. My previous gun with a 4 port hybrid used 8.0 of the old keg to make 172 but that same ammo is 182pf out of the new gun. Lots of variables. I'd say start around 7 and chrono as you go. Edited April 22, 2009 by TMC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianATL Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 I have two shorty Hardy guns and have tried several powders, but I always come back to 9.3 of 3n38 (1.155 125 jhp )as my favorite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbosik Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 i did 7.9 yesterday at 1345 fps and 166 pf,,i guess 8.0 will work, but with altitude and temp 8.1-.2 will be the #,,slight flattening no more then other stuff,,my sv 5" will do a 172 pf at 7.8 with the same oal and bullet,,but these tests are with 124 mg jhp,,i have a case of the 121's.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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