Gary Stevens Posted October 31, 2005 Share Posted October 31, 2005 Thanks much to Tony Hawkins for providing me an IPSC box to play with. A bit of information for those interested. I have found that a magazine with the long Wilson base pad will not fit in the box without some surgery being done on the forward part of the base pad. The standard Wilson basepads do fit without any problem. Gary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ima45dv8 Posted October 31, 2005 Share Posted October 31, 2005 Thanks much to Tony Hawkins for providing me an IPSC box to play with. A bit of information for those interested. I have found that a magazine with the long Wilson base pad will not fit in the box without some surgery being done on the forward part of the base pad. The standard Wilson basepads do fit without any problem.Gary Now I'm worried. I have a bunch of 47D's that I use for carry and comp. Is that what you're talking about? Can you post a pic of the offending appendage? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merlin Orr Posted October 31, 2005 Share Posted October 31, 2005 Gary Which is this one? Long or Standard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Stevens Posted October 31, 2005 Author Share Posted October 31, 2005 (edited) This one, the long one. Edited October 31, 2005 by Gary Stevens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ima45dv8 Posted October 31, 2005 Share Posted October 31, 2005 (edited) Gary, that pic is toast. Please try again. ***Never mind. It had not yet uploaded fully. Looks like I'm good to go. Edited October 31, 2005 by ima45dv8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merlin Orr Posted October 31, 2005 Share Posted October 31, 2005 I feel much better now. Looks like I don't have to buy another 6 or 8 mags.... Thanks, Gary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Stevens Posted October 31, 2005 Author Share Posted October 31, 2005 You are better off than me, I have to buy a bunch of new basepads. It is too much trouble to cut the front corners off of all the long one's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caspian_45 Posted October 31, 2005 Share Posted October 31, 2005 You can order, from Wilson, the standard and slim line base pads to replace the extended pads on your Wilson #47E mags. The CP base pads that I have on some 40 mags will not fit the box either. Gary, the IPSC box is to your liking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richardschennberg Posted October 31, 2005 Share Posted October 31, 2005 The 1911 Society's Single Stack Classic has generally allowed any thickness of magazine pad as long as the rest of the magazine fits flush in a full-size 1911. Since Wilson 8-rounders have been one of the most reliable single-stack magazines, it would be most inconventient if the wide base pad version is now verbotten. Is it at all possible that the thickness of the magazine pad could be exempted from the box requirement? Its only function is to reduce stress injuries while seating magazines. This is kind of like the IDPA no-knee-pad rule: you must hurt yourself! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Stevens Posted October 31, 2005 Author Share Posted October 31, 2005 (edited) Yes Sir Tony it was very nice. You could propably market a few of those for match use. Thank you very much for the effort you put into it. The basepads are easily changed on the Wilson mags. I think 3 pads cost about 6.95, so I am going to be out less than 15 bucks to switch mine over. Not that bad in IPSC/USPSA monetary terms. Unfortunately the rules are set for the test period. It would take a BOD action to change them, and I don't want to venture into those waters again at this time Part of trying anything new is making mistakes and learning from them. If fully adopted these areas will be addressed. Gary Edited October 31, 2005 by Gary Stevens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XRe Posted October 31, 2005 Share Posted October 31, 2005 There's always "Mr. Dremel", too... No?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LPatterson Posted October 31, 2005 Share Posted October 31, 2005 Gary, why the box? Why were all the light rail models outlawed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Stevens Posted October 31, 2005 Author Share Posted October 31, 2005 I really don't intend this to be a smart A$$ reply, but didn't you read the answers to those the first 50 or so times I explained them? If not, contact me at my local address garystevens@alltel.net and I'll answer any questions you have without starting another TFH on the forum. Your welcome Flex Gary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
et45 Posted November 1, 2005 Share Posted November 1, 2005 How about the CMC mags with the long pads? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caspian_45 Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 The IPSC box measures 8 3/4 x 5 7/8 x 1 3/4. Measure your pistol with the mag inserted. If you are less than 5 3/4 from the top of the rear sight to the farthest point on the bottom of the mag you should be ok. The IPSC box is 1/8 inch shorter than the IDPA box. Hope this helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richardschennberg Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 ...The basepads are easily changed on the Wilson mags. I think 3 pads cost about 6.95, so I am going to be out less than 15 bucks to switch mine over. Not that bad in IPSC/USPSA monetary terms. Unfortunately the rules are set for the test period. It would take a BOD action to change them, and I don't want to venture into those waters again at this time Part of trying anything new is making mistakes and learning from them. If fully adopted these areas will be addressed. Gary, you finally outsmarted yourself! ;-) I may try my .38 Super gun with 10-rounds of minor, partly because I fitted the barrel myself. I will have the opposite problem, because the mags are not yet drilled for base pad screws and my favorite "in the box" base pads require screws. I tried them without base pads at one of the Single Stack Classics and had several cuts on my left hand by the end of the 250+ round match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Stevens Posted November 3, 2005 Author Share Posted November 3, 2005 I know you won't believe this, but honestly this is not the first time I have outsmarted myself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuckbradley Posted January 2, 2006 Share Posted January 2, 2006 where do you get a box? Tony you selling them? The Kentucky Section is looking for one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mistral404 Posted January 8, 2006 Share Posted January 8, 2006 Has anybody measured the Tripp mags yet? It seemed like a lot of people were sending their Trojans to him for reliability work and were using his mags. Thanks in advance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OPENB Posted January 13, 2006 Share Posted January 13, 2006 (edited) Gary Is there going to be a box used at the Single Stack Classic? I really hope not, because this match has been going on for 11+ years, and as others have said, draws shooters from many disciplines, who might not necessarily care that USPSA has their "fingers in the pie" now, nor that a "box" is going to outlaw mags that they have been using for over a decade. This is not an issue of it only costing $7 to replace pads. There is a thread on 1911 Forum that stated tungsten guide rods not being allowed. These are specifically allowed by the 1911 Society. I think if USPSA is going to change up 1911 Society standing rules and practices, be prepared for a firestorm come April 28-29. I'll bring my shorter pads, and I'll play by the rules, mostly because I read these forums. Will everyone that shoots the SSC? Doubtful. Just food for thought. PS: The 1911 Society has not updated their rules or FAQ page to reflect any changes to their match. Edited January 13, 2006 by OPENB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XRe Posted January 13, 2006 Share Posted January 13, 2006 Has anybody measured the Tripp mags yet?It seemed like a lot of people were sending their Trojans to him for reliability work and were using his mags. I've only got his 10 round .40 mags, so I can't - the 10 round .40 mags are 140mm and are a good 1/4" too long, at least... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caspian_45 Posted January 13, 2006 Share Posted January 13, 2006 OPENB. You really need to read the SSC rules again. They have always had a box rule. Of course the box is not exactly the same diminsions, but real close. I don't like the idea of not allowing weighted guide rods, but them's da rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OPENB Posted January 13, 2006 Share Posted January 13, 2006 I did read them. That appears to be the problem. Which rules is the match going to follow, the published rules that the SSC has used for a decade, that specifies a gun fit in a box WITHOUT the magazine, and tungsten guide rods are allowed, or the USPSA SS division rules that says we use a box WITH a mag in the gun, and no heavier-than-steel guide rods? USPSA and the 1911 Society need to agree to one set of rules, and get them to the shooters BEFORE April. You quoted both sets of rules in your last post, with the Society's box AND USPSA's rule on guide rods. Anyone else confused on who is running this match? I am referring strictly to the Single Stack Classic, not to the SS Division, which is USPSA's baby, and a great one in my opinion. This match has always been autonomous, not IDPA, not USPSA. When I shoot SS Division, I will follow USPSA's published rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Meek Posted January 13, 2006 Share Posted January 13, 2006 (edited) OpenB it is on the entry form: Dates: April 27th - April 30th (April 27th for staff shooting. April 30th is for weather make-up if needed.) Location: P.A.S.A. Park, - Barry, IL Capacity: 220 Competitors (110 Each Day) Stages: 12 Challenging Courses Entry Fee: $115.00 for Current 1911 Society Members $130.00 for Non-Members $165.00 Non-USPSA Member (Includes 1st year membership.) (Entry fee includesBuffet Lunch) Entries Accepted on a first come, first serve basis! Entry Deadline: April 10th, 2006 Full Refund for withdrawal if written & signed request received before April 10th,2006. No refund after that - No exceptions! Rules: USPSA Provisional Single Stack Rules Apply. (Emphasis Added) Alan Edited January 13, 2006 by 9Major-Caspian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caspian_45 Posted January 13, 2006 Share Posted January 13, 2006 (edited) Other than the pistol must fit the IPSC box WITH the mag, and no weighted guide rods. I am not seeing any other significant changes. FWIW: I think this is a very good joining of USPSA and SA's SSC. If you have a problem with any part of the SSD/SSC match you should talk to both organizations and get their take on it. Good reply Alan. That pretty much answers his question. Sorry for the "drift". I'm done. Mods, you can clear my posts if you think you need to. Edited January 14, 2006 by Caspian_45 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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