slavex Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 Not sure why the other thread got edited and closed, but here are the original pics I took of the inside of the new 2s. It shows the new relief cut made to alleviate cracking on the right side of the inside of the frame, above and to the rear of the slidestop pin. I'm pretty sure it was a specific batch of guns that experienced this, and the numbers aren't that high for how many were affected. This cut already exists on other 75 series guns, I think the alloy frame maybe? (not 100% sure which guns, but I know it exists). I've also included a pic of one gun that did break Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt1 Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 InterestingSent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamge Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 Looks like they are attempting to make the hole support stronger by removing the entire top strap of the hole? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huskerlrrp Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 2 hours ago, adamge said: Looks like they are attempting to make the hole support stronger by removing the entire top strap of the hole? stress relief....somehow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yigal Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 (edited) shadow2 send hello from Canada? all 5 shadow2 from the club cracks and was broken the same way after 8k factory ammo. checked few from other club. all of them have cracks. we don't use them anymore. all broken guns was from different batches. even new guns that was replaced cracked frames by cz to new, breaks now. slavex can u make pic. from side of ejection port ? (new type of gun) u are strong man probably u hold gun too hard . another smile from M.G. and u will forget all broken sh2 guns. Edited February 9, 2018 by yigal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slavex Posted February 9, 2018 Author Share Posted February 9, 2018 I"m going to blame your ammo for all those broken guns lol! Serial numbers don't always relate properly to the casting batch, you can have very different serial numbers on guns that were all cast at the same time what exactly do you want a picture of? the slide from the side or the frame from that side? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yigal Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 3 hours ago, slavex said: I"m going to blame your ammo for all those broken guns lol! Serial numbers don't always relate properly to the casting batch, you can have very different serial numbers on guns that were all cast at the same time what exactly do you want a picture of? the slide from the side or the frame from that side? sorry but i never had shadow2 pic. of the frame from side of ejection port on new sh2 and we use only factory ammo s&b, magtech, and fiochi,and imi . all 115grain. and that's was the answer from cz - they blame shooters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slavex Posted February 9, 2018 Author Share Posted February 9, 2018 the frame looks exactly the same as it did before on the outside. Nothing different there. 115gr is snappy I totally blame that for the problems Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yigal Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, slavex said: the frame looks exactly the same as it did before on the outside. Nothing different there. 115gr is snappy I totally blame that for the problems so, the problem is not solved, by cz. their engineers have only great drawing skills. but what about design skills.? new solution looks like s..t. for problem that not exist as they claim. maybe gun was designed only for exhibitions and not for shooting? because it looks awesome. best regards. Edited February 9, 2018 by yigal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowdyb Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 I've not heard of this issue in US batches. We were one of the later countries to get shipments at release time iirc. Aus, Canada and European countries all before us/US. I have two Shadow 2's bought almost a year apart. I will go look in them both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yigal Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 1 hour ago, rowdyb said: I've not heard of this issue in US batches. We were one of the later countries to get shipments at release time iirc. Aus, Canada and European countries all before us/US. I have two Shadow 2's bought almost a year apart. I will go look in them both. clean the area and use good magnify glass . very hard to see this cracks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyingpig Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 I've had my S2 now for about 3 months. Mine DOES have the cuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slavex Posted February 10, 2018 Author Share Posted February 10, 2018 Flyingpig, interesting, you must have got one of the very first like that, as the earliest I've heard was only a few weeks ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yigal Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 (edited) 14 minutes ago, slavex said: Flyingpig, interesting, you must have got one of the very first like that, as the earliest I've heard was only a few weeks ago. it is a miracle why change design if as cz say there is no problem in this gun? Edited February 10, 2018 by yigal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slavex Posted February 10, 2018 Author Share Posted February 10, 2018 Designs are constantly updated and improved, look at Glock for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yigal Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 7 minutes ago, slavex said: Designs are constantly updated and improved, look at Glock for example. ok . i partially agree . now gen5 looks almost like g2 discovered that earlier models was the best? but in ours army abused glocks shoot over 200k and more. (u can't compare glock that made from best types of steel to any cz that made from recycled Scoda.) cz removed material from critical area .less material in this place more fragile the area. they only made cosmetical ugly change and didn't solve the problem , because they don't want that somebody will see cracks. most people that by guns don't shoot so much ammo like u. (R. Graham still shoot in ipsc?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClangClang Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 @yigal - what country are you from? And as a general comment, manufacturing companies make "in line" changes all the time without ever announcing it. Companies are always looking to improve their products and often, the changes don't warrant any sort of announcement or fanfare. It's just a small, incremental improvement to improve reliability, customer satisfaction, reduce warranty claims, etc. That's what these cuts are. Only time will tell whether the cuts make a real improvement or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yigal Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 7 minutes ago, ClangClang said: @yigal - what country are you from? And as a general comment, manufacturing companies make "in line" changes all the time without ever announcing it. Companies are always looking to improve their products and often, the changes don't warrant any sort of announcement or fanfare. It's just a small, incremental improvement to improve reliability, customer satisfaction, reduce warranty claims, etc. That's what these cuts are. Only time will tell whether the cuts make a real improvement or not. o.k . that's fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slavex Posted February 11, 2018 Author Share Posted February 11, 2018 I don't see how you think these changes will somehow weaken the area, according to everyone I've talked to who has experience with designs like this, it should in fact totally solve the cracking issue. An issue that only showed up in a specific batch of firearms from what I've been able to learn. This change also already exists in other CZ products, and hasn't been an issue there. As well, Tanfoglio suffers from the same issue occasionally, so it's not like it's a CZ only thing. As for Glocks, I've seen them fail at under 1000 rounds, I personally own 1 that failed at 2500 and had to be replaced (G17 Gen III). I've got Shadows with well over 100k rounds through them that are still shooting just fine. A gun is a mechanical device and those things fail sometimes. For the vast majority of people there will be no issue with their existing Shadow 2s, if there is, then CZ will fix it through their warranty services. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yigal Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 (edited) u are wright . its only hard working mechanical device that can fail. in ours club all old shadows sp-01 works 100% all ts and tso works. only few have problems with magazines . the only sh2 - all of them failed under 10k. i didn't liked the factory answers to any type of cz owners with other issues .(they even refuse change ruin parts by their gunsmiths . parts that cost ~ 2usd on new guns) that's is cz warranty? i hope for u and all sh2 owners that this cut will solve the problem .lets wait to see this. but i am know that it's wrong solution. and right solution is simple. Edited February 12, 2018 by yigal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmanick Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 (edited) my 3 week old shadow 2 also has those cuts. Edited February 12, 2018 by kmanick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slavex Posted February 12, 2018 Author Share Posted February 12, 2018 why is it the wrong solution? Explain. What is the right solution? Again, explain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyingpig Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 (edited) On 2/9/2018 at 11:16 PM, slavex said: Flyingpig, interesting, you must have got one of the very first like that, as the earliest I've heard was only a few weeks ago. 11/16 to be exact. Shipped out of Wisconsin. 4500 rounds so far. Running like a champ. On a side note, I will keep running this gun with the shock buffers. haha Edit: #247 stamped on my frame for what its worth. Edited February 12, 2018 by Flyingpig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slavex Posted February 12, 2018 Author Share Posted February 12, 2018 cool dude, I'm at 70,000ish through my two arcore 2s with nary an issue, and I use the shockbuffs, although I don't think they have any impact on this area at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yigal Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 (edited) if u can look at your old frame no. 116 in this pic. i think that u have crack at right side above the s.s.hole ? check this with good magnify lens. about right solution .as we say on a cup of coffee. Edited February 12, 2018 by yigal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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