TheStagePlan Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 So I am interested in buying a dillon press, I shoot 9mm and .223 so I am looking for one press that does it all. Price is not really an issue so the 1050 with a second set of components for for .223 is not a problem was wondering if anyone had some input on what press consider ? It seems that by the time you get a 650 setup the cost between the 650 and 1050 is not that much especially after you purchase the additional swager for the 650. So my question is is the 1050 a good press for both calibers. I don't need to do a pit stop in between caliber swaps Im estimating 75 percent of the time i will be reloading 9mm.. THANKS FOR ANYONE WHO OFFERS INPUT OR SUGGESTIONS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nate89 Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 I have a 650, and for loading 9mm it is plenty of press for me, I'm at about 15k a year. I also load 223, and I really wish I had the built in swager on the 1050. If money is not as mush of an issue, I think you will really appreciate the time savings when it comes to processing .223 brass. I have a friend with a 1050, and it is very nice to have a processing head for .223 where you size, deprime, swage, and trim. Then you tumble and remove the case lube, and run it through the second toolhead to prime, powder, seat, and crimp. You will also run into military 9mm brass every so often that also needs to be swaged, although that is less of an issue. TL;DR: In my opinion, if you can swing the 1050 over the 650, you will end up saving time, especially on rifle loading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheStagePlan Posted August 22, 2017 Author Share Posted August 22, 2017 thanks for the response. good input Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael.flitcraft Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 1050. Swager alone would make it a dream for 5.56 - especially if you do a trimmer with the 5.56 head.Do a big run of rifle for the next few months and then run 9mm like a maniac.If you're an occasional competitor with lower round counts, buy a 650 and run the math to see if it's cheaper to make rifle/buy pistol, or make pistol/buy rifle for your ammo needs.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheStagePlan Posted August 22, 2017 Author Share Posted August 22, 2017 anyone want to chime in one what parts are needed for the .223 / 9mm caliber swap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Donald Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 I have a place I get processed 223 brass from. All Lake City, prepped clean ready to load. I load on a 650, with a Mr. Bulletfeeder for 9mm. I load 5,000-6,000 rounds on 9mm at a time. 223 I load 2,000-3,000 rounds at a time. On 223 I set the bullets in by hand. For my 'long range loads, I hand load those on the same processed brass on my T-7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hi-Power Jack Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 Depends on the quantity of ammo you will be loading ... A 650 will do a great job, but if you're loading HUGE amounts of ammo, a 1050 is better. You might want to consider, since $$$ is NOT an issue (Good for You), Get a 1050 for the .223 and a 650 for the 9mm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheStagePlan Posted August 22, 2017 Author Share Posted August 22, 2017 id like to only have one press as id like to limit having to ad more workspace to my shop.. money is always an issue sometimes im open to making bad financial decision for certain pleasures Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bummy425 Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 1050 with a mark 7.....and a rf100 for primers. After you pay it off you will not regret itSent from my SM-G925V using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camaross400 Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 I would get the Dillon Super 1050. It makes short work out of reloading. I load up a couple of month's worth of ammo for each caliber I reload and put the cover the press up. The primer seating on the down stroke and swaging station is reason enough. People say that you don't reload enough for a 1050, but I say that I'd rather spend more time shooting. The reloading is so fast on the 1050 because I load a couple thousand in each caliber every two months. But everyone has their own opinion. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dillon Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 To change from 223 to 9mm, you will need: 9mm die set, #14406 $66.95; 9mm conversion kit #20482 $126.95; 1050 Quick Change #21393 $276.95; Small pistol case feed plate #21073 $38.95. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nate89 Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 I am not familiar with the 1050 conversion parts, but I know that many of the parts on the 650 are the same. It may be cheaper to buy individual parts.Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G530AZ using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheStagePlan Posted August 23, 2017 Author Share Posted August 23, 2017 (edited) Thank you for the response Dillon precision. I will more then likely order the press set up for 9mm and the. Get the .223 components along with the trimmer Edited August 23, 2017 by TheStagePlan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camaross400 Posted August 24, 2017 Share Posted August 24, 2017 I would suggest the Giraud Trimmer. It chamfers and deburs the case. I had the Dillon Trimmer and switched to Giraud because I do 223 and 7.62x39.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12glocks Posted August 24, 2017 Share Posted August 24, 2017 I have a 650, shoot 3 gun, and switch between 9mm and 223. I really love the press and the changeover is a snap now after doing it frequently. I load over a 1000-2000 rounds between change overs. I broke 2 or 3 things during the learning curve (my fault). I have the power trimmer and it is awesome. The Giraud is probably better from a precision standpoint but not handling all that brass is YUGE. I am using Dillon dies mostly though I have tried others. I would get the large Dillon tumbler. I have both Dillon tumblers and the big one is the only way to go IMO. The rifle ammo I load consistently shoots sub moa out of multiple rifles. I only want to load on Dillon's anymore. My wife told me to get a 1050. I did not do it because of the caliber conversion cost (I load 40 also) and the 1050 only has a 1 year warranty. But I can tell you this, i would get the 1050 today. The supers swage process is when I inspect all my brass. I have had a case head separation so I am very careful about that. I load my large primer stuff on a 550. If you don't like it you won't take that much of a hit if you sell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiggerJJ Posted August 24, 2017 Share Posted August 24, 2017 (edited) There is no way I would trade a on-press Dillon trimmer for a pencil sharpener type trimmer. It adds another step to the process and makes you handle each case to trim...not to mention the carpal tunnel syndrome you will get from holding each case in the trimmer... Edited August 24, 2017 by RiggerJJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camaross400 Posted August 24, 2017 Share Posted August 24, 2017 I disagree. I had the 1500 and sold it for the Giraud. Best thing I ever did. It cut a step (chamfer and debur). My hands were killing me during that step. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camaross400 Posted August 24, 2017 Share Posted August 24, 2017 Now if I had a Mark 7, I might change my mind...Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lee blackman Posted August 24, 2017 Share Posted August 24, 2017 Is there anyway to flip that Giruard upside down and mount it on a toolhead? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiggerJJ Posted August 24, 2017 Share Posted August 24, 2017 (edited) You don't need to chamfer and debur after a Dillon trimmer, I dont. Bell the case slightly eliminates the need to chamfer even with flat bottom bullets, and a slight crimp after seating eliminates the need for deburing. Been doing it this way for years, sub-moa ammo. All steps are done on the press. After processing tumble again to remove case lube and also to remove swarf from the case mouth. Again, no handling of individual piece of brass... jj Edited August 24, 2017 by RiggerJJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camaross400 Posted August 24, 2017 Share Posted August 24, 2017 Is there anyway to flip that Giruard upside down and mount it on a toolhead?That would be great if we could.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camaross400 Posted August 24, 2017 Share Posted August 24, 2017 You don't need to chamfer and debur after a Dillon trimmer, I dont. Bell the case slightly eliminates the need to chamfer even with flat bottom bullets, and a slight crimp after seating eliminates the need for deburing. Been doing it this way for years, sub-moa ammo. All steps are done on the press. After processing tumble again to remove case lube and also to remove swarf from the case mouth. Again, no handling of individual piece of brass... jjYou are correct. I was tired of chamfer and deburing off the press, so I did the same process as you and reloads came out fine. I just decided to go with the Giraud so I could actually do both things in one step. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiggerJJ Posted August 24, 2017 Share Posted August 24, 2017 To the OP Get the 1050. All steps can be done on press including trimming and swaging, so you will not need to handle any brass mid process. Get 2 tool heads for 223; one for processing the brass, and the other to load it. For 9mm you will only need one head. In goes components, out comes completed ammo. I run thru 3-5 5gallon buckets each of 223, 308, 9mm, 40, and 45 during the winter and having the 1050 is the only way I would do it. Enjoy the 1050! (For precision ammo I load it on a 650, but that is an entirely different process. Two heads with a hand cranked lee trimmer that trims, chamfers, and deburs on the processing head, and I measure each powder throw on a trickler...neck turning (not trimming) is done off press, but I am only running 200-500 rounds at a time...) jj Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GregJ Posted August 24, 2017 Share Posted August 24, 2017 Depending on your volume of shooting, get a 1050 with an AmmoBot. Love mine. They are giving away 3 Rev2 AB at A8. https://immortobot.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeinctown Posted August 24, 2017 Share Posted August 24, 2017 I load only 9mm and have been getting a lot of brass with tight primer pockets and would love to have the built in swage of the Super 1050 so I vote for that, especially if you would ever think of mechanizing it. If I didn't have kids to worry about, I'd buy a 1050 plus Mark 7 tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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