SmCaudata Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 I currently have a CZ 75 shadow, short dust cover. I like the gun and admittedly relatively new to competitive shooting. I originally got it for IDPA due to weight. I'm now working on moving to 3 gun. As I'm getting better I'm noticing the muzzle dip when the slide returns to be the bigger control issue for me than the flip. I guess I'm wondering if a full dust cover on an SP-01, tac sport, or shadow 2 would be better balanced or if this is something I can adjust to with lighter recoil spring and practice. I went to a 3 gun skills course here and I was one of two people in my group of twelve that wasn't shooting a striker... the instructors had 2011s... so there isn't much for me to shoot with for comparisson. I guess I'm fishing for thoughts from people that have shot both types. Thanks in advance. I should mention that part of my motivation is that I want to get a retention holster, base pads, and some other things and don't want to buy all that if I'm going to be selling it soon down the road. Also, I like to tinker with things and would like to tinker with the gun I end up keeping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kneelingatlas Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 I don't see how a pistol with a heavier muzzle will help muzzle dip, try a lighter recoil spring Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmCaudata Posted April 4, 2017 Author Share Posted April 4, 2017 Yeah, now that I reread it, it does seem funny. I was thinking the heavier gun would handle the reciprocating mass better, but I suppose polymer guns do just fine. Time to get some lighter springs...Sent from my SM-G935T using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philippshen Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 23 minutes ago, SmCaudata said: Yeah, now that I reread it, it does seem funny. I was thinking the heavier gun would handle the reciprocating mass better, but I suppose polymer guns do just fine. Time to get some lighter springs... Sent from my SM-G935T using Tapatalk I use 8lb recoil spring from tanfo, it works great Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sliv2 Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 Gear won't make it go away. Practice with what you have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thompsoncustom Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 What recoil spring are you running? A 11lb works really good for a lot of minor power factor loads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Mitch Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 Work on your grip. Also, get a lighter recoil spring. Any time you think of buying a replacement gun, spend that money of bullets, powder, and primers. Become great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B_RAD Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 7 minutes ago, Dr Mitch said: Work on your grip. Also, get a lighter recoil spring. Any time you think of buying a replacement gun, spend that money of bullets, powder, and primers. Become great. Best advice ever! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmCaudata Posted April 4, 2017 Author Share Posted April 4, 2017 Thanks for the input. It's what I was thinking and leaning toward anyway. It's also fun to have something a bit different.Sent from my SM-G935T using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruiserweight Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 I'm the same way, I thought I needed a shadow 2, but I already have a fully Cajunized sp-01 so I doubt the shadow 2 would magically improve my shooting ability. Just want it because I'm greedy lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B_RAD Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 20 minutes ago, Cruiserweight said: I'm the same way, I thought I needed a shadow 2, but I already have a fully Cajunized sp-01 so I doubt the shadow 2 would magically improve my shooting ability. Just want it because I'm greedy lol I sold my S2. I liked it. Especially the larger grip. However, I didn't feel it would give me any advantage over my S1. Granted I only shot it about 20-30 rounds. So I sold it to remove the temptation. I didn't want to try to get used to another gun at this pint in the season. At the end of this year I may give it another try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmCaudata Posted April 4, 2017 Author Share Posted April 4, 2017 You just don't see many people with the short dust covers competing. It's hard to know if it is a competitive advantage thing, person preference thing, or just what is available/popular.Sent from my SM-G935T using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlvrDragon50 Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 I haven't shot my S2 much, but I think my score will improve over my 85C. My grip is much more confident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sliv2 Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 18 minutes ago, SlvrDragon50 said: I haven't shot my S2 much, but I think my score will improve over my 85C. My grip is much more confident. I don't think any gun will cause better scores over any reasonable gun. However, if it inspires you to practice more, then absolutely. My scores went way up when I switched from an M&P to a Shadow, but that was only because I enjoy shooting it so much that it encourages me to use it every single day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlvrDragon50 Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 Just now, Sliv2 said: I don't think any gun will cause better scores over any reasonable gun. However, if it inspires you to practice more, then absolutely. My scores went way up when I switched from an M&P to a Shadow, but that was only because I enjoy shooting it so much that it encourages me to use it every single day. I definitely expect it to for me since there's a massive change in frame design. The old design resulted in a weak grip because my hands sweat so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoKimberDave Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 I like the short dust covers. I use a 10lb spring and it returns nicely without dipping. All that said: The heavier SP-01 definitely kills more recoil, imo. It's a nice gun. My excuse for getting a new CZ: "I can relegate my old CZ to a backup gun. Because everybody needs a decent backup gun in case one goes down on a stage". Sounds more reasonable than "because I want it". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruiserweight Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 (edited) double post Edited April 5, 2017 by Cruiserweight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruiserweight Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 47 minutes ago, NoKimberDave said: My excuse for getting a new CZ: "I can relegate my old CZ to a backup gun. Because everybody needs a decent backup gun in case one goes down on a stage". Sounds more reasonable than "because I want it". You're about to put my credit card in a world of hurt lol. I do need a backup gun... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
himurax13 Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 5 hours ago, NoKimberDave said: I like the short dust covers. I use a 10lb spring and it returns nicely without dipping. All that said: The heavier SP-01 definitely kills more recoil, imo. It's a nice gun. My excuse for getting a new CZ: "I can relegate my old CZ to a backup gun. Because everybody needs a decent backup gun in case one goes down on a stage". Sounds more reasonable than "because I want it". One is none and two is one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoKimberDave Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 1 hour ago, himurax13 said: One is none and two is one. Indeed. 5 hours ago, Cruiserweight said: You're about to put my credit card in a world of hurt lol. I do need a backup gun... Glad I could help! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisbrayton Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 I have an SP-01 and haven't noticed any muzzle dip with mine. I grip my gun pretty hard and it stays fairly flat during recoil. I use the stock rubber grips and some grip lotion. I dunno if that might help-grip lotion and grip hard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaladinPrecision Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 If you are having the muzzle dip when the slide goes into battery I would suggest attempting to run a lighter recoil spring. That should help a bit. Check Youtube Nictaylor00 1911 tuning. Same principle, check with Cajun gunworks or CZ customs for lighter recoil springs. I run an 11 on my SP-01. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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