arshooterxm15 Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 I was taking scores during a local IDPA match and was standing a couple of feet behind the shooter who had just completed his course of fire and I was writing down his time. The SO was standing next to the shooter and just gave instructions to unload, show clear, slide down, hammer down and holster when the shooter did not unload and show clear and fired the round in the chamber into the ground just in front of us sending gravel in our faces. It happened a couple of years back but I have always wondered what the "standard procedure" is to handle a situation like this...should he have been penalized, disqualified or something else? The shooter was allowed to continue in the match and nothing happened. Anyone else seen this happen at their matches and had the same results? Just curious... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTDMFR Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 (edited) DQ, and a glorious one at that. Edited April 10, 2015 by FTDMFR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillR1 Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 Yep, that's a trip to Dairy Queen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzw26n Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 (edited) That's funny! trip to Dairy Queen Edited April 10, 2015 by zzw26n Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arshooterxm15 Posted April 10, 2015 Author Share Posted April 10, 2015 DQ, and a glorious one at that. I agree, I wanted to do other things that cannot be mentioned but... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arshooterxm15 Posted April 10, 2015 Author Share Posted April 10, 2015 Yep, that's a trip to Dairy Queen! Ha...wasn't exactly where I was thinking of sending him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTDMFR Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 That's actually two DQs - one for a discharge during UASC, and another for putting a round within 2 yards of someone's feet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M1911 Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 I was taking scores during a local IDPA match and was standing a couple of feet behind the shooter who had just completed his course of fire and I was writing down his time. The SO was standing next to the shooter and just gave instructions to unload, show clear, slide down, hammer down and holster when the shooter did not unload and show clear and fired the round in the chamber into the ground just in front of us sending gravel in our faces. It happened a couple of years back but I have always wondered what the "standard procedure" is to handle a situation like this...should he have been penalized, disqualified or something else? The shooter was allowed to continue in the match and nothing happened. Anyone else seen this happen at their matches and had the same results? Just curious... That's a mandatory DQ, per rule 2.2.3.5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
presadad Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 I've seen the same thing happen on two different occasions. Most definitely a DQ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DagoRed Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 Ha! that's funny, the Dairy Queen comment I mean. A coupon for a discount on a blizzard might make me feel a bit better about myself if it happened to me. Red Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arshooterxm15 Posted April 10, 2015 Author Share Posted April 10, 2015 I was taking scores during a local IDPA match and was standing a couple of feet behind the shooter who had just completed his course of fire and I was writing down his time. The SO was standing next to the shooter and just gave instructions to unload, show clear, slide down, hammer down and holster when the shooter did not unload and show clear and fired the round in the chamber into the ground just in front of us sending gravel in our faces. It happened a couple of years back but I have always wondered what the "standard procedure" is to handle a situation like this...should he have been penalized, disqualified or something else? The shooter was allowed to continue in the match and nothing happened. Anyone else seen this happen at their matches and had the same results? Just curious... That's a mandatory DQ, per rule 2.2.3.5. That's what I would have thought...I guess because it was a local match though they felt they would overlook it. He was one of the match directors for the club...still is I believe... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M1911 Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 (edited) That's what I would have thought...I guess because it was a local match though they felt they would overlook it. He was one of the match directors for the club...still is I believe... They shouldn't have. I have DQ'ed someone for a discharge during unload and show clear. It was just a club match, but the rules are the same. That rule is there for a reason. A discharge during unload and show clear is serious business and the best way to get the shooters attention that they need to straighten up is a DQ. That MD was not doing that shooter, the other shooters, or the sport itself any favors, IMO. The rule in question reads: 2.2 Unsafe firearm handling will result in immediate Disqualification (DQ) from the IDPA match. Examples (non-inclusive list): ... 2.2.3 A discharge: ... 2.2.3.5 During Load And Make Ready, Unload And Show Clear, Reload, or Malfunction Clearance. There is no gray area here. The rule is clear -- mandatory DQ. Edited April 10, 2015 by M1911 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTDMFR Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 (edited) OP: Just to clarify, did he think his gun was clear, or did he purposefully clear his gun by shooting into the dirt? Not that it matters. It's a DQ either way. I'm just wondering if he's careless or he's stupid. Edited April 10, 2015 by FTDMFR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M1911 Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 (edited) Just to clarify, did he think his gun was clear, or did he purposefully clear his gun by shooting into the dirt? Not that it matters. It's a DQ either way. I'm just wondering if he's careless or he's stupid. The shooter that I DQ'ed thought his gun was clear. It was near the end of the day on a low-light stage. We were both tired. He stowed his flashlight, thinking that he had removed and stowed his magazine. He cycled the slide, but since the magazine was still in the gun, it loaded a fresh round. He pointed the gun at the back stop, pulled the trigger, and bang. I was tired and saw what I was expecting to see. Or didn't see what I didn't expect. I learned from that experience and so did he. As an SO, you really, really have to be on your toes during unload and show clear on a low-light stage. People are not used to handling their flashlight. It disrupts their routine and they do stupid things. You have to be switched on and focus. Edited April 10, 2015 by M1911 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arshooterxm15 Posted April 10, 2015 Author Share Posted April 10, 2015 OP: Just to clarify, did he think his gun was clear, or did he purposefully clear his gun by shooting into the dirt? Not that it matters. It's a DQ either way. I'm just wondering if he's careless or he's stupid. I was in the middle of writing his score so I can't say for sure what he did/didn't do. I don't believe he would have cleared it at our feet intentionally. I think he just went to fast resulting in a careless mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
9x45 Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 (edited) I was taking scores during a local IDPA match and was standing a couple of feet behind the shooter who had just completed his course of fire and I was writing down his time. The SO was standing next to the shooter and just gave instructions to unload, show clear, slide down, hammer down and holster when the shooter did not unload and show clear and fired the round in the chamber into the ground just in front of us sending gravel in our faces. It happened a couple of years back but I have always wondered what the "standard procedure" is to handle a situation like this...should he have been penalized, disqualified or something else? The shooter was allowed to continue in the match and nothing happened. Anyone else seen this happen at their matches and had the same results? Just curious... That's a mandatory DQ, per rule 2.2.3.5. That's what I would have thought...I guess because it was a local match though they felt they would overlook it. He was one of the match directors for the club...still is I believe... Well if it was a club level match for match directors of that club and their rules say it's ok to have a AD from a match director, it could be ok. But wasn't this a sanctioned IDPA match? And the club and RSO's agreed to operate to IDPA rules? Not only should the shooter have been DQ'd, but also the RSO for allowing the shooter to continue the match. Edited April 10, 2015 by 9x45 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arshooterxm15 Posted April 11, 2015 Author Share Posted April 11, 2015 I was taking scores during a local IDPA match and was standing a couple of feet behind the shooter who had just completed his course of fire and I was writing down his time. The SO was standing next to the shooter and just gave instructions to unload, show clear, slide down, hammer down and holster when the shooter did not unload and show clear and fired the round in the chamber into the ground just in front of us sending gravel in our faces. It happened a couple of years back but I have always wondered what the "standard procedure" is to handle a situation like this...should he have been penalized, disqualified or something else? The shooter was allowed to continue in the match and nothing happened. Anyone else seen this happen at their matches and had the same results? Just curious... That's a mandatory DQ, per rule 2.2.3.5. That's what I would have thought...I guess because it was a local match though they felt they would overlook it. He was one of the match directors for the club...still is I believe... Well if it was a club level match for match directors of that club and their rules say it's ok to have a AD from a match director, it could be ok. But wasn't this a sanctioned IDPA match? And the club and RSO's agreed to operate to IDPA rules? Not only should the shooter have been DQ'd, but also the RSO for allowing the shooter to continue the match. I agree...the last match I shot in there, my squad SO and scorer liked to be lenient on scoring themselves but hard on everyone else. That is most of the reason it has been a while since I've shot a match there. I know at the state level none of that would take place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
45 Raven Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 IMHO, it doesn't matter whether this match was sanctioned or not, or by whom. An A/D earns a disqualification. Any club that doesn't enforce that rule is really exposing themselves to a metric buttload of trouble! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arshooterxm15 Posted April 11, 2015 Author Share Posted April 11, 2015 IMHO, it doesn't matter whether this match was sanctioned or not, or by whom. An A/D earns a disqualification. Any club that doesn't enforce that rule is really exposing themselves to a metric buttload of trouble! I agree...things such as that have been the reason it has been a while since I have returned to that club, I hate it too because it is the only club that puts on a monthly IDPA match in my immediate area. I shot in the GA state championships and was almost dq'd for coming too close to a target so I know the "buddy" system would not stand at most shoots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirbinster Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 How could this not be an immediate DQ? Something is seriously wrong at this club for not issuing a DQ. There can be no margin when it comes to unsafe actions! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arshooterxm15 Posted April 15, 2015 Author Share Posted April 15, 2015 How could this not be an immediate DQ? Something is seriously wrong at this club for not issuing a DQ. There can be no margin when it comes to unsafe actions! After the shot was fired and I was peppered with gravel I stood there waiting for the SO to say something but...the shooter was allowed to finish the match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewColonial Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 ND. No such thing as an AD. :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robport Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 We had a match director accidently drop his gun. He DQ'ed himself before the SO could even take control of the gun or get it out of his mouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arshooterxm15 Posted April 16, 2015 Author Share Posted April 16, 2015 ND. No such thing as an AD. :-) Ha, you are correct...I will never refer to it as such again. :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arshooterxm15 Posted April 16, 2015 Author Share Posted April 16, 2015 We had a match director accidently drop his gun. He DQ'ed himself before the SO could even take control of the gun or get it out of his mouth. Good...That's the way it should be, in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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