ghost21 Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 Don't know if this is the right forum or not! But I found out what has happen to some of the 22s. I was in Dicks Sporting goods about an hour ago. The guy was trying to sell me 9mm and 45acp on sale. I told him If it were 22s Id buy them . He said they had a limited amount for Black Friday. I said how about selling me a box ,"no can do" they are for black Friday. I said that doesn't do me any good, because I don't get out in that crowd, He told me that Remington was sending them 3 pallets of 22s and they would start putting them out the day after Black Friday sale. I asked how long they have been sitting on 22s he said they have a stockpile in tier warehouse. SO Dicks is part of the problem ,Don't know about any of the rest of the Ammo dealers But dick is stockpiling 22s. Now I know. What is your take on it? This was the DIcks Sporting Goods on Two Notch Road, In Columbia SC Hearing this ,Now I'm sure the whole 22 thing has been a scam ,so the dealers can stockpile them. Palmetto Firearms in Lexington SC Has had Remington 1400 rd. buckets for 90 bucks, I asked today and he's out of them. Said they would try and get some more after this Black Friday is over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baer45 Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 They are only doing what they said, saving it for Black Friday. I work at the largest indoor range in the country and we were lucky to get a pallet of 22 ammo about 9 months ago at a high price. We are sitting on it because we don't know how long it might take us to get more. We sell it at the range counter only and not retail. When small lots of 22 come in we put it out and it's gone in a day....the only reason 22 is hard to find is more people are shooting it, they are shooting it in 28 rd ARs and the biggest reason...hoarding! Stop hoarding 22s and pistol powder and it will be readily avaliable again.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghost21 Posted November 23, 2014 Author Share Posted November 23, 2014 They are only doing what they said, saving it for Black Friday. I work at the largest indoor range in the country and we were lucky to get a pallet of 22 ammo about 9 months ago at a high price. We are sitting on it because we don't know how long it might take us to get more. We sell it at the range counter only and not retail. When small lots of 22 come in we put it out and it's gone in a day....the only reason 22 is hard to find is more people are shooting it, they are shooting it in 28 rd ARs and the biggest reason...hoarding! Stop hoarding 22s and pistol powder and it will be readily avaliable again.... That too but when you have 22s stockpiled in the warehouse then its the dealers that are hoarding. Not the customers! Why sit on it? sell it and get your money. What the hell if you cant get another pallet, maybe you can get at least 1 or 2 cases. Hell people want to shoot. Keep the flow going and it WILL loosen up ! To me that's the dealer being the ones doing the gun control! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baer45 Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 Easy answer. Do you know what happens to an indoor range if they don't have 22 ammo to sell to their Members or the public coming to rent a lane? Every gun store and range in the country has been loosing their shirt since the Newtwon Panic. Distributers filled orders for a TWO year supply of everything gun related in 48 hours! It was not long ago that ranges had no 9mm in addition to 22.,,,we can't chance selling it all and be left high and dry, just like Dick's doesn't want to sell it all in a day and have nothing on their biggest sales day of the year. We have a $13,000,000.00 facility and one heck of a mortgage payment all because of our love of the shooting sports. If we get rich one day, great... There are a lot easier ways to make money, believe me...that said, I encourage everyone to support your local gun store/range because they are all under attack and hurting big time...I don't think the last big panic was happenstance...by spring 22 should become readily avaliable again IF another scare doesn't come our way... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rtp Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 They are only doing what they said, saving it for Black Friday. I work at the largest indoor range in the country and we were lucky to get a pallet of 22 ammo about 9 months ago at a high price. We are sitting on it because we don't know how long it might take us to get more. We sell it at the range counter only and not retail. When small lots of 22 come in we put it out and it's gone in a day....the only reason 22 is hard to find is more people are shooting it, they are shooting it in 28 rd ARs and the biggest reason...hoarding! Stop hoarding 22s and pistol powder and it will be readily avaliable again.... That too but when you have 22s stockpiled in the warehouse then its the dealers that are hoarding. Not the customers! Why sit on it? sell it and get your money. What the hell if you cant get another pallet, maybe you can get at least 1 or 2 cases. Hell people want to shoot. Keep the flow going and it WILL loosen up ! To me that's the dealer being the ones doing the gun control! I apologize, but this is somewhat of an ignorant thread, IMO. How do you ensure customers come in during the biggest sales period of the year? Ensure you have something they want. The same goes with LGS and Wal-Mart limiting .22LR, .223/5.56 or even 9mm ammo purchases per day per customer - not ideal, but better than letting the 'flipper' scum buy out a store and charge double+ to people just wanting to shoot. At times, it's necessary. I seriously doubt big box stores ensuring they have some .22LR to sell for a roughly 25 day or so period throughout the year will have any lasting impact on the flow of .22LR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hi-Power Jack Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 They are only doing what they said, saving it for Black Friday.That too but How do you ensure customers come in during the biggest sales period of the year? Ensure you have something they want. I doubt stores ensuring they have .22LR to sell for a 25 day period throughout the year will have any lasting impact on the flow of .22LR. +1. RTP & Baer45 understand marketing principles. There is NO Conspiracy. We have caused the problem, ourselves. HOARDING>>>> Have you noticed that only a few of us are complaining about not being able to find powder and .22 ammo - LOTS of us are not complaining, but shooting every weekend. Go out to your local range and see how many people are still competing in all the various types of firearm competitions every weekend. They must be getting ammo/powder somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EEH Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 (edited) $13,000,000.00,,that's a lot uh zeroooo's That would get on my last Nerve... Edited November 23, 2014 by EEH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B45C22 Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 Maybe, I am just lucky, but I have passed CCI minimags and lots of aguila 22's on the shelves for the past few months. I have 2K or so, so I am good for squirrels for the next 10 years. I also found a 8lb jug of bullseye on a shelf last week. It was marked $225, so I left it sitting there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghost21 Posted November 23, 2014 Author Share Posted November 23, 2014 (edited) I still call bullshit! You can put a pretty pink dress on it But its still a pig in the mud! And as far as the hoarding, Yes that Is part of the problem ,I see guys on here all the time saying "I FOUND POWDER , PICKED UP 2 CANS EVEN THOUGH I DIDNT NEED IT" Edited November 23, 2014 by ghost21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baer45 Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 $13,000,000.00,,that's a lot uh zeroooo's That would get on my last Nerve... Believe me, it does! Range part is great as long as there is ammo but retail is tough.....especially when the market is so up and down.... C Marine Corp Colonial Shooting Academy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondakilla98 Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 I'm happy to hear this. I will go pick up a brick on black Friday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ktm300 Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 I still call bullshit! You can put a pretty pink dress on it But its still a pig in the mud! And as far as the hoarding, Yes that Is part of the problem ,I see guys on here all the time saying "I FOUND POWDER , PICKED UP 2 CANS EVEN THOUGH I DIDNT NEED IT" And I call it good business to stretch out a limited supply to keep people coming into the store. My LGS does it. He gets in a case or 2 of .22, he puts a limited amount on the shelf every day, and limits what people can buy, until he is out. If he put it all out, he would get his money back all at once but it's better to get people in the store over a longer period of time. Hopefully it results in more sales than just the .22 the he is not jacking the price up on. Dick's, not one of my favorite retailers, is doing the same thing. They have about 30 days every year to do probably 30% of their yearly business. Guess when they want to get people in the store? Both of these examples are marketing in a free market not hording. Now the guy that has 20k rounds of .22 sitting at the house, and still buys everything he sees, and never shoots any of it, is hording. For the last 5 years I have tried to keep 2 years supply of powder and primers to feed my shooting habit. As I use it up I buy more and keep the shelf full so I can weather the times of no powder or no primers. Just because I was willing to stock up when supplies were plentiful doesn't mean I am hording. Just watch, squirrels do it every year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kneelingatlas Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 It's bothers me to see so many seemingly like minded individuals throwing around pejoratives like "hoarder", "flipper" and the like; what's the difference between a "flipper" and the owner of your local gun store? both purchase inventory with the intent of reselling it at a profit don't they? why then is one the pillar of the community and the other the scum of the earth?Those who use laws and threats of force to manipulate markets are the enemies of consumers, not market actors engaging in voluntary commerce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1gcountry Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 (edited) I don't really have a problem with flipping powder or 22lr. Considering the time they spend doing it, and the fact that they keep finding buyers, it is obviously worth the premium for some buyers. I do not choose to give them my business though. It is an unnecessary over head, and if the retailers and manufacturers are providing the products at modest mark UPS, I think they, if anyone, should reap the reward from the supply/demand curve. After all, they are the ones experiencing the risk if the market settings into over-supply... Offering a limited supply of an in-demand product at market-low prices encourages hoarders over users in my opinion. Edited November 24, 2014 by b1gcountry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghost21 Posted November 25, 2014 Author Share Posted November 25, 2014 (edited) I still call bullshit! You can put a pretty pink dress on it But its still a pig in the mud! And as far as the hoarding, Yes that Is part of the problem ,I see guys on here all the time saying "I FOUND POWDER , PICKED UP 2 CANS EVEN THOUGH I DIDNT NEED IT" And I call it good business to stretch out a limited supply to keep people coming into the store. My LGS does it. He gets in a case or 2 of .22, he puts a limited amount on the shelf every day, and limits what people can buy, until he is out. If he put it all out, he would get his money back all at once but it's better to get people in the store over a longer period of time. Hopefully it results in more sales than just the .22 the he is not jacking the price up on. Dick's, not one of my favorite retailers, is doing the same thing. They have about 30 days every year to do probably 30% of their yearly business. Guess when they want to get people in the store? Both of these examples are marketing in a free market not hording. Now the guy that has 20k rounds of .22 sitting at the house, and still buys everything he sees, and never shoots any of it, is hording. For the last 5 years I have tried to keep 2 years supply of powder and primers to feed my shooting habit. As I use it up I buy more and keep the shelf full so I can weather the times of no powder or no primers. Just because I was willing to stock up when supplies were plentiful doesn't mean I am hording. Just watch, squirrels do it every year. And then he has the same guys coming in everyday he puts them out and buying them up! A few boxes I cans e but when I hear that a retailer is going to get 3 pallets the day after black Friday ,then I can bullshit!! That to me is still one set of persons controlling the market! And It seems like it is certain dealers and distributors. And I can see a small LGS doing that ,But the big retailers, Like dicks are just controlling the market. Mainly because of retailers like dicks the small LGS gets the shaft Edited November 25, 2014 by ghost21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghost21 Posted November 25, 2014 Author Share Posted November 25, 2014 (edited) It's bothers me to see so many seemingly like minded individuals throwing around pejoratives like "hoarder", "flipper" and the like; what's the difference between a "flipper" and the owner of your local gun store? both purchase inventory with the intent of reselling it at a profit don't they? why then is one the pillar of the community and the other the scum of the earth? Those who use laws and threats of force to manipulate markets are the enemies of consumers, not market actors engaging in voluntary commerce AMEN Kneel !!! On that last comment! Edited November 25, 2014 by ghost21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kneelingatlas Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 You can call me Atlas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDA Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 And then he has the same guys coming in everyday he puts them out and buying them up! A few boxes I cans e but when I hear that a retailer is going to get 3 pallets the day after black Friday ,then I can bullshit!! That to me is still one set of persons controlling the market! And It seems like it is certain dealers and distributors. And I can see a small LGS doing that ,But the big retailers, Like dicks are just controlling the market. Mainly because of retailers like dicks the small LGS gets the shaft 3 pallets of .22lr at Dick's isn't squat, one person isn't controlling any market to speak of. For that matter, I much prefer capitalism over socialism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makdaddy Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Agree.. Also not in the best interest of a retail chain to stockpile inventory of anything.. Capitalism being what it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1gcountry Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Keeping inventory on hand for 2 weeks is nothing for a sporting goods retailer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghost21 Posted November 27, 2014 Author Share Posted November 27, 2014 (edited) Well guys ! I knew I was right! Lawman's of Columbia SC , Put their 22 ammo out on the sales floor Tuesday afternoon.(I was there when they put it out) The guy told me that It came in that Monday ! Remington 22lr golden bullet $24.99 525 rds. / CCI 22 mini mag $7.95 100rd pack They put out about 15 cases of the Remington and 10 cases of the CCI limit 3 boxes pre customer pre day. He told me that Remington had sent out a big shipment to retailers, SO the story at dicks about the 3 pallets sounds like its true! Still sounds funny to me that ,after being in short supply that now, at the holiday it hits ,SO all I can say is looks like everyone will be able to shoot the 22s for Christmas! Edited November 27, 2014 by ghost21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDA Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 The only thing you were right about is that these stores got ammo recently and they are putting it out for sale this week. Did you ask to see their receiving manifests over the past year to see how many shipments they received during the year and had sold? It isn't like they have been saving up all their shipments over the past two years to put on sale this week. Lots of my local stores have received CCI Mini Mags and/or Remington Golden Buckets at various times over the past year and they sold them when they got them. They were a bit over priced (Mini Mags were $12.95 per 100 for example), yet they sold them all each time they had them. People are buying it faster than they can make it, it is that simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aceinyerface Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 It's bothers me to see so many seemingly like minded individuals throwing around pejoratives like "hoarder", "flipper" and the like; what's the difference between a "flipper" and the owner of your local gun store? both purchase inventory with the intent of reselling it at a profit don't they? why then is one the pillar of the community and the other the scum of the earth? Those who use laws and threats of force to manipulate markets are the enemies of consumers, not market actors engaging in voluntary commerce A flipper is the same as a scalper. They are part of the black market, not subject to regulation or taxation. They are parasitic opportunists who decrease supply in the market only when they identify demand is high in order to derive an unreasonably high rate of return from desperate buyers. Your LGS is a legitimate market actor, fully licensed, regulated and taxed. As long term players in the market, they must respond to market forces like customer loyalty and return business, they cannot ask unreasonable prices for scarce goods as their return business will suffer. Scum and pillar of the community defined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kneelingatlas Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 So government is the difference? I think we have different definitions of parasite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghost21 Posted November 27, 2014 Author Share Posted November 27, 2014 (edited) The only thing you were right about is that these stores got ammo recently and they are putting it out for sale this week. Did you ask to see their receiving manifests over the past year to see how many shipments they received during the year and had sold? It isn't like they have been saving up all their shipments over the past two years to put on sale this week. Lots of my local stores have received CCI Mini Mags and/or Remington Golden Buckets at various times over the past year and they sold them when they got them. They were a bit over priced (Mini Mags were $12.95 per 100 for example), yet they sold them all each time they had them. People are buying it faster than they can make it, it is that simple. I have heard the same story now from the same guy at Dicks, For the past month ,when I go in there ,I asked about 22s, he told me they had them in the back ,But were saving them. And now they have them out ! Me and my buddy were there last night and he bought 2 boxes. They had a stack of them out!! Edited November 27, 2014 by ghost21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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