DocMedic Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 (edited) So its been a couple of years now since the whole craze of bolt lightening was discussed, and this due to possibly of more 3gun ready shotguns on the market. But I have notice we don't see any discussion about lightening VersaMax or Berretta bolts, etc etc. So the question is, was bolt lightening just a FAD? Was there ever any real benefit too it? The past 3 years RO'ing some large 3gun matches one recurring theme that I see is when a Benelli M2 went down the first thing I notice is that the bolt has been lighten, not saying that it was the cause of the benelli going down but it is the first thing to catch my eye. Does the reliability of the shotgun change over time because of the mod? I was just curious to get a discussion started. From reading threads in the past the only people that supported bolt lightening were people who actually did the work (bolt lightening)or customers that had the work done, was it Placebo Effect? Do those shooters still shoot those M2’s that been modded? Lets Discuss Edited August 27, 2014 by DocMedic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtm Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 Lets not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocMedic Posted August 27, 2014 Author Share Posted August 27, 2014 One of the things I regret the most was winning a Cert from Accurate iron to get a full race package done to my benelli. but unfortunately I lost the cert during my move. When I found it it was past its expiration date, but one of the things I did want to get done was the bolt lightning, but then i went to open so the benelli stayed in the safe, now that I'm thinking of going back to it I was just wondering if it was still worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMIS Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 Waste of time and money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jadeslade Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 Yes. Depends on who does the lightening. There is more information on the CalGuns forum than here about this idea. The Beretta bolt seems pretty light to me and is attached to rods, not the same as a Benelli bolt. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sterling White Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 If you go down this road which many of us have choose your smith wisely. Accurate Iron and Triangle are dialed in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gondo Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 AI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtm Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 I first lightened my M1 bolt in 1998 in collaboration with Benny. My gun had around 70,000 rounds on it. I still use the same gun today with a paltry 245,000+ . Is it worth it? It sure is to me! Do I sell bolt lightening services? NO!! But I will tell you this, it is THE MOST MISUNDERSTOOD MODIFICATION.....EVER!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NearlyMissed Posted August 29, 2014 Share Posted August 29, 2014 kurtm, Please explain so people do understand. I for one am glad to listen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrdstmax Posted August 29, 2014 Share Posted August 29, 2014 I would like to hear about it as well... I already had the full race setup done on my versa max including lightening and fluting the bolt done by triangle..... The recoil on the versamax is already extremely manageable but I must say that 300 rounds in I'm pretty impressed.... So far so good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Tischauser Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 I'm not sure what bolt lightening doesn't damn does it look good! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doubleaay78 Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 kurtm, Please explain so people do understand. I for one am glad to listen. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Tischauser Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 Watch these videos so you understand the physics behind the system. The lightening of the bolt speeds up the bolt movement which equates to being able to shoot a tenth or two faster without getting hammer follow. A heavier bolt actually helps with lighter loads. Lighter/heavier inertia springs, hammer springs, and recoil springs changes things too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkCO Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 It's not even close to 0.1 change Jesse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Tischauser Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 It's not even close to 0.1 change Jesse. I'd love to see your test data! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.E. Kelley Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 0.15 split - 0.10 = .05 split That ain't happening. 0.15 - 0.02 = 0.13 split This is more like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
openclassterror Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 I can run about .18 splits now. Take away .1 and I am running .08 splits. SIGN ME UP!!!!!! I will be lightening my bolt after work today.............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stlhead Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 I have never been able to do the splits. Why are you guys so wrapped up with how fast you can do them? Are you all a bunch of mutant cheerleaders or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike cyrwus Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 trying to shoot super fast is directly proportional to the amount of shells you wish your tube held. why is that?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan 45 Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 I thought it was because Chicks Dig It. West Chandler and Pat Kelley are the only guys I've ever seen outrun a shotgun in a match. I can do it, as long as I'm only concerned with rounds going in the general direction of down range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkCO Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 I've seen James do it and PK says Neth can do it, so I have no doubt he can as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Anderson Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 I've never done it with shot, but on the rare 2 slugs on paper stage, with close targets, yeah, I've outrun the gun. Easily. Transitioning between steel or clays is just enough to slow me down to not worry about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gondo Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 I've never done it with shot, but on the rare 2 slugs on paper stage, with close targets, yeah, I've outrun the gun. Easily. Transitioning between steel or clays is just enough to slow me down to not worry about it. ha you were the first person that came to mind as i was reading this thread... some of the pistol splits that you have on steel on 3 gun nation tv show are insane.... it never fails, you miss once or twice and then mow down 3 or 4 with retarded splits and then patrick kelly says something about it... cracks me up every time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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