Mark Perez Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 Probably just a holiday sale .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingman Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 Well, Bill knows what the rule will be so he has a bit of a competitive advantage over everyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
txaggie Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 What is so unbelievable about this supposed new holster rule is that a holster that is legal on one person will not be on another. For instance, I am 6'2" and 150lbs, there will obviously be more daylight in between the grip on my G17 with a CompTac locking paddle than someone who is heftier than I am with the same exact equipment!! Maybe I should put 20 or 30 lbs on so that I can be more tactical?? :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted Murphy Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 Txaggie, Daylight between the grip is fine. It's daylight in the belt channel these guys are talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
txaggie Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 Thanks for the clarification, I guess I just need to wait for the rulebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokarev Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 Shirt-tuckers for everyone! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matto Posted December 15, 2004 Share Posted December 15, 2004 Somebody is just going to have to start producing a line of thick fuzzy belts to fill up the vacant spaces in the channels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhgtyre Posted December 15, 2004 Share Posted December 15, 2004 Somebody is just going to have to start producing a line of thick fuzzy belts to fill up the vacant spaces in the channels. I love it! The rules aren't even out yet and they have already been subverted. Sweeeeeeeeeet. Sic Semper Tyrannis -ld Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEPAKevin Posted December 15, 2004 Share Posted December 15, 2004 I love it! But not as much as a facisct range official looking for an excuse to FTDR or DQ IPSCGMFs will. Have a nice day. Kevin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincent Posted December 15, 2004 Share Posted December 15, 2004 Yeah forget double thickness gun belts. Let's go to triple thickness for that sturdy carry platform that everyone is looking for! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhgtyre Posted December 15, 2004 Share Posted December 15, 2004 Yeah forget double thickness gun belts. Let's go to triple thickness for that sturdy carry platform that everyone is looking for! A nice piece of velcro that is placed to make sure your gear stays in place should do just fine. -ld Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokshwn Posted December 15, 2004 Share Posted December 15, 2004 GAMERS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tightloop Posted December 15, 2004 Share Posted December 15, 2004 Vincent You may be kidding but my belt for IDPA is a custom made one 1/4 inch thick with a steel shim in the center for stiffness...the holster did not move on it.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
txaggie Posted December 15, 2004 Share Posted December 15, 2004 In the LGB, there is a section on Equipment Rules stability and it states that any new equipment rules will not take effect for 12 months after the new rule is in place. Are they going to do away with this stability clause do you suppose? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincent Posted December 15, 2004 Share Posted December 15, 2004 I was kidding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vluc Posted December 15, 2004 Share Posted December 15, 2004 Has Gregg from Comp-tac commented on this yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyG23 Posted December 15, 2004 Share Posted December 15, 2004 Has Gregg from Comp-tac commented on this yet? Not that I know of but I wish he would. I know that I've been tempted to call him. Note: I just e-mailed Greg the link to this thread and asked for his comments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhgtyre Posted December 16, 2004 Share Posted December 16, 2004 I was kidding. Oh I know you were kidding. I wasn't. The light between a competitors body and the holster issue is going to be circumvented by many and it won't be long in coming. It amuses me to no end. -ld Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted Murphy Posted December 16, 2004 Share Posted December 16, 2004 I was kidding. Oh I know you were kidding. I wasn't. The light between a competitors body and the holster issue is going to be circumvented by many and it won't be long in coming. It amuses me to no end. Doubtful. Think that's the only criteria? Probably ought to wait for the book to check all critieria (and if the FTDR is still in effect) before making custom belts and such. Ted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhgtyre Posted December 16, 2004 Share Posted December 16, 2004 Using the FTDR to punish the creative among us sounds about par for the course. -ld Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEPAKevin Posted December 16, 2004 Share Posted December 16, 2004 There is an easy way to avoid the Failure To Do Right penalty. Do Right. If you want to win, do right faster and better than everybody else. If a holster becomes illegal, it will probably be a lot cheaper and easier to "make right" than the 5" 625s that many wheel gunners had to have rebarreled or chopped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyG23 Posted December 16, 2004 Share Posted December 16, 2004 I received an e-mail from Greg at Comp Tac and as promised here is his reply. It's kind of long but proves once again that Greg and Comp Tac are #1 in customer service and that they support the shooting sports. I've chosen not to paraphrase or edit since the words are Greg's and not mine: Hey Mike! Great to hear from you. Thanks for sending me the link. We have had a lot of calls on the subject of the new rules and of course we are all speculating on what they are actually going to be. Maybe if I hammer this out I can forward it to folks as an attachment. They will regret they asked! I am a member of IDPA and get to shoot a real match now and then. I recognize that we do get some of our business from IDPA but frankly that is not why we make holsters and other gear. I am by no means going to ignore our IDPA friends though. I don't think other makers will either. The only product in our line made for "competition" is the "Beltfeed" mag pouch. A Production class IPSC shooter and I came up with it. Since then I have made some for some SWAT guys. Who knew? It is refreshing to see the different points the members on the Brian's forum are bringing up. Txaggie mentioned that what is legal as far as IDPA on one person might not be on another if the rumored changes are going to be the way it goes. Just where the belt line migrates to (or disappears to) as we get older (err...uhaa.. bigger) affects the camber angle of anything we mount on our belt. More grist for the rumor mill. The amount of gap between the paddle and the body of the holster changes from pistol to pistol too. Because of the takedown lever and other structures on the XD pistols the space looks even bigger than on say a 1911. The Locking Paddle was designed to get the most stability possible and still be an easy on, easy off proposition. This was not lost on IDPA competitors judging by the equipment survey at the nationals this year. The part of every Comp-tac Locking Paddle that goes over the belt has been formed on the same jig for years. It is the same jig that the holster we sent to the IDPA holster committee was made from. I have had people ask for more "offset" and because I did not submit it to IDPA that way we have to let them know it most likely not going to be legal for IDPA competition. One customer said "What is IDPA and what does that have to do with me being fat"? I have been told that the mag pouch must cover fifty percent of the magazine under the new rules that don't exist yet... I'm not sure why. I have seen magazines fall out at matches. Sort of a built in penalty. When I designed our mag pouch way back when, I looked at the shortest, most common magazine we were likely to encounter. I took the G26/27 and balanced the coverage with amount of exposure for optimum grip and it had to have the ability for the end user to adjust the tension. By the fifty percent standard, all is good unless you carry a G17/22 length mag and want to shoot a IDPA match. You might be okay depending on how the magazines are going to be measured...No big deal. Comp-tac will tool up and make a mag pouch specifically for IDPA competition. It won't be the one I will wear on my way home. I'm lucky that way. I got started shooting competitive pistol in USPSA. I'm a life member. Shot one match in the last 4 years. I recently got a copy of the new IPSC/USPSA rule book. Ugh. Nowhere does it say you can't bring an attorney with you. There is nothing wrong with that. It's just not for me. Your personal reason for going to an IDPA match is not the same as every one else that shows up. To me the new rules (that don't exist... yet... or not) are not going to effect what is important about the IDPA experience, and that is the shooter that will never go to a big match. But, they are there working their pistols with us. Who is going to tell somebody that shows up at a Thursday night match "your holster would be legal if your belt was bigger. You don't get to shoot tonight. Here's some target pasters". Not gun'na happen. He might have to start from low ready but he shoots if I have any say. Where I like to shoot, the most contentious part of the evening is deciding where we are going to eat afterwards. When we accept hard earned money for our products we recognize a responsibility to support its intended purpose. If I didn't shoot IDPA I would be less inclined to set up a program to modify existing holsters if necessary for competition. For the record, I would rather sell a new holster to our previous customers because they have a new pistol, not because it has been ruled out by some competition they want to partake in. I can't imagine the "year to take effect" thing would change. When requested we will do what is necessary to provide IDPA legal gear. We will certainly set up a program to modify existing holsters at a minimal cost. Save your money for something important, ammo. Rules have changed in the past though. No more mandatory "reload at the gun" comes to mind. I did hear lots of discussion between competitors about the subject and it changed. Most of us went rah rah! It didn't cost anybody a dime. I did notice on Brian's Forum nobody is saying rah rah. We are talking money now and I don't blame them one bit. I would like to know if I am sending out a holster to someone and they intend to use it for IDPA it will be legal next year. Depending on their build, their belt etc. Well Mike, now you know why I don't post on the forums. If you don't have a headache by now you should know I do. I learned in my brief Investigator career, "Believe half of what you see and none of what you hear". I just wrote my version of War and Peace on something we haven't seen yet! Thank you for bringing this to my attention and please let the folks know that Comp-tac will not leave them hanging. I'll see that what ever is service that is practicable is available. Best to you and yours, Gregg and the gang. Feel free to post this but if you do, expect to barred from the forum for being a bore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vluc Posted December 16, 2004 Share Posted December 16, 2004 Mike, thanks for Gregg's post, and Gregg, thanks for your post as well! I use Gregg's gear for USPSA and for carry, as do many others here. Real world versus a game. I'd rather lose a game than a real world encounter.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
txaggie Posted December 16, 2004 Share Posted December 16, 2004 Thanks for posting the note from Gregg. I use CompTac for IDPA as well as my every day carry as well. I will continue to support his company and tell anyone who wants to listen about it as well. I think his note reaffirms my confidence in him and Comp-Tac. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEPAKevin Posted December 16, 2004 Share Posted December 16, 2004 The other side of the coin is that holster makers will no longer have the burdon of going through the process of sending in their holsters to get their products approved and shooters will not have to wait for new products to get approved to use them in IDPA. An example would be the Comp-tac CTAC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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