mtwashingtonhunter Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Differences worth the extra dough? Is the SP 01 a great place to start for shooting production USPSA? Which CZ is the best for USPSA in your opinion? Anyone know about these custom CZs on Gunbroker coming out of Illinois...Janusz is his last name I believe? Thanks Scott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jabbermurph Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 I have an SP-01 (non-Shadow) that I run in USPSA and IDPA. It has been done up, w/ comp hammer, sights, old 85C trigger, and CGW Ultra-Lite kit and SRT. I love it. Great gun, runs like water from a well. The only real difference in the function between the 2 is the SA take-up before the break. The Shadow is a non-FPB, leaving less take-up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magsz Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 My shadow and my SP01 have the same amount of takeup. I believe the only difference is the reset. The reset on the SP01 is marginally longer but come on, its a single action gun with a 2.5mmish reset...it hardly matters. For the price, the SP01 can be oufitted MUCH, MUCH cheaper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jabbermurph Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 My shadow and my SP01 have the same amount of takeup. I believe the only difference is the reset. The reset on the SP01 is marginally longer but come on, its a single action gun with a 2.5mmish reset...it hardly matters. For the price, the SP01 can be oufitted MUCH, MUCH cheaper. agreed on the reset...and you are right, for a starter DA/SA on a budget, the SP-01 is it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andreas Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 The price of the pistol quickly becomes irrelevant compared to the price of ammo IMHO. In addition to the trigger, the SP01 Shadow comes with a sight cut that allows for more of a target-style sight. Milling the slide will cos you time and money and bump you out of SSP in IDPA and out of Production in USPSA. CZ Custom worked over the triggers in my 75B and SP01 Shadow. The 75B trigger is quite good, but it has noticeable stacking and more reset than the Shadow one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtwashingtonhunter Posted November 30, 2013 Author Share Posted November 30, 2013 Thanks...kinda what I was figuring, appreciate the replies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kneelingatlas Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Milling the slide will cos you time and money and bump you out of SSP in IDPA and out of Production in USPSA. You might want to re read Appendix D4, 21.2B in the USPSA rulebook... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kneelingatlas Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 I had a tricked out Shadow and sold it in favor of a plain Jane SP01. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigfish Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 If you are looking for an economy cz w/out the pb block you can always try to track down a cz85 combat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shooter116 Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 I love my shadown but Bigfish is right. You can get practically the same gun for less in the 85 Combat. Mink at Automatic Accuracy worked my shadow over and did a fantastic job on the trigger and i went back and had the short reset installed. Made a noticeable difference in the reset but its another $100. Also if you are going to shoot IDPA its tough to get the shadow to make SSP weight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eerw Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 IDPA changed the rules Oct 1. 43 ounces for SSP, so SP01s are good to go. All the CZs are competitive and will win. Just pick one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtwashingtonhunter Posted November 30, 2013 Author Share Posted November 30, 2013 If you are looking for an economy cz w/out the pb block you can always try to track down a cz85 combat I have heard great things about the 85 Combat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtwashingtonhunter Posted November 30, 2013 Author Share Posted November 30, 2013 Thanks for the help everyone...this is my winter project, to acquire a CZ or 2...or 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magsz Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 You can get the same sight picture on an SP01 via the use of CZ customs CZ 75 dovetail sights. I found a used SP01 for an absolute STEAL of a price that is now my training gun. I use my Shadow for matches because i prefer the LPA adjustable sight. Eventually i will get the SP01 milled for the same sight as that gun is FAR more accurate than my shadow. Luck of the draw i guess but if i could do it all over again i would have just bought two SP01's...or for that matter...three for the price of my shadow... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eerw Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 The nice thing if you only have firing pin block guns, you'll not notice the difference in resets. I shot a 75b stainless for years and earned my GM card with that gun. There are some things on the Shadows that are not on the other guns, so it becomes just a decision on the details and how set it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schmeky Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 (edited) I'm chiming in late, but very good valid points are being made. I agree, the SP-01 for the money is tough to beat. You can pick one up for around $600.00 and make it run like a plucked rooster for less than a Shadow. Not to mention you can actually find an SP-01 if push comes to shove. I have build many, many SP-01's with the firing pin block in place and the only difference is about 1mm extra of SA reset. If you can really tell the difference between a 2 mm's and 3mm SA reset in action shooting, your technique is all wrong. Edited December 1, 2013 by schmeky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtwashingtonhunter Posted December 1, 2013 Author Share Posted December 1, 2013 Never too late, I appreciate any and all replies/tips/advice. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andreas Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 Milling the slide will cos you time and money and bump you out of SSP in IDPA and out of Production in USPSA. You might want to re read Appendix D4, 21.2B in the USPSA rulebook... Meant to write IPSC, not USPSA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtwashingtonhunter Posted December 1, 2013 Author Share Posted December 1, 2013 Don't mean to add another...but the 75b Shadow without SP 01 in model name...I see these very rarely, but are they worth the $1000 or so they get for them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtwashingtonhunter Posted December 1, 2013 Author Share Posted December 1, 2013 http://cz-usa.com/products/view/75shadow/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eerw Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 I guess to circle back to your original question. Shadows, be they SP01 or 75, are set up the best for competition . IMHO. the other CZs can be made to be great shooters and sometimes can be done for less money, especially if you are able to do some of the work yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akacala Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 I went with a 75 shadow after a few IDPA matches (when I decided I was going to keep doing this) because I didn't want to work it over myself, being less experienced with working on guns. CZC did a great job with it, and I regret nothing. they worked over a 97b for me recently, because I wanted to star shooting it in IDPA from the day it arrived. Once again great work. Now tat I'm more familiar with the guns my winter project is going to e working on a used sp01 shadow picked up. CZs are a bit of an addiction. Since I got my first 83 in 9x18 it seems I can't stop buying them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtwashingtonhunter Posted December 1, 2013 Author Share Posted December 1, 2013 I guess to circle back to your original question. Shadows, be they SP01 or 75, are set up the best for competition . IMHO. the other CZs can be made to be great shooters and sometimes can be done for less money, especially if you are able to do some of the work yourself. Much obliged! Pretty sure I can so some mods myself... but would feel better knowing an expert gunsmith completed some mods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skippyaz Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 SP-01 Shadow vs. 75 Shadow The main difference is a short dustcover vs. a long dustcover. There are a couple other tiny differences, but the dustcover is really what sets the 2 apart. I own both, and for me, the 75 Shadow balances just a touch better. I think, for the most part, the SP-01 is more popular. IMHO, you can't go wrong with either one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtwashingtonhunter Posted December 2, 2013 Author Share Posted December 2, 2013 Thanks for all the help...I should find out from 3 shop owners tomorrow in regards to what, if any, they can get me. If nothing, I will get an SP 01 off gunbroker or armslist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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