gregshin Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 So i've greased up the shell plate area and installed a "bearing" kit. It's a little better but the plate still jumps a bit. will the dillon realignment tool help or should i try cutting a spring coil off? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlamphere Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 (edited) Cut the spring. Just nibble a little at a time till you get it the way you like it. Mine settled down after about 1.5 coils. I doubt the plate is out of alignment. I keep one of these handy for when I drop the ball down the hole. Edited October 21, 2013 by jlamphere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregshin Posted October 21, 2013 Author Share Posted October 21, 2013 thanks i'll try cutting a lil bit of the coil. yeah i keep a magnet stick in my tool bag just in case! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 Tighten the shell plate more. The bearing lets you snug the Plate down much more and still rotate. Should be able to turn by hand with firm pressure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henny Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 I found that clipping a half a coil at a time until things were right and making sure the underside of the shell plate bolt is well greased allieviated my snapping problems. I did try the bearing kit, but I just didn't like it and I had just as good of luck with the above process. Plus I didn't have the loaded ammunition ejection issues that I had with the bearing kit. YMMV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 Plus I didn't have the loaded ammunition ejection issues that I had with the bearing kit. YMMV That's because you didn't read the tips and tricks for the 650 thread closely enough. The top washer is not needed for the bearing kit to work it's magic. I made a very minor tweak of the ejector and it runs perfect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henny Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 Plus I didn't have the loaded ammunition ejection issues that I had with the bearing kit. YMMV That's because you didn't read the tips and tricks for the 650 thread closely enough. The top washer is not needed for the bearing kit to work it's magic. I made a very minor tweak of the ejector and it runs perfect. No, I only used the one washer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 Plus I didn't have the loaded ammunition ejection issues that I had with the bearing kit. YMMV That's because you didn't read the tips and tricks for the 650 thread closely enough. The top washer is not needed for the bearing kit to work it's magic. I made a very minor tweak of the ejector and it runs perfect. No, I only used the one washer. Then you should not be having issues with the ejection. I have recommended dropping one washer to more than a few guys who were having problems and it corrected it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZombieHunter Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 Tighten the shell plate more. The bearing lets you snug the Plate down much more and still rotate. Should be able to turn by hand with firm pressure. +1 on this; it has to be TIGHT to the point where it almost hangs up. Then after a few turns it should loose enough to smoothly glide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henny Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 Plus I didn't have the loaded ammunition ejection issues that I had with the bearing kit. YMMV That's because you didn't read the tips and tricks for the 650 thread closely enough. The top washer is not needed for the bearing kit to work it's magic. I made a very minor tweak of the ejector and it runs perfect. No, I only used the one washer. Then you should not be having issues with the ejection. I have recommended dropping one washer to more than a few guys who were having problems and it corrected it. It only happened when I was reloading or processing 223. Since I got a 1050, my 650s haven't seen a 223 case. With everyone else's success with this addition to the 650, I have to wonder if it may have been a tolerance stacking thing with my machine? When I'm loading other cartridges on the 650s, the clipped spring and grease on the underside of the shell plate bolt works fine for my needs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bello Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 i just hold the brass from station 3 to 4 powder never jumps even if plate does Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twowheels Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 Plus I didn't have the loaded ammunition ejection issues that I had with the bearing kit. YMMV That's because you didn't read the tips and tricks for the 650 thread closely enough. The top washer is not needed for the bearing kit to work it's magic. I made a very minor tweak of the ejector and it runs perfect. No, I only used the one washer. Then you should not be having issues with the ejection. I have recommended dropping one washer to more than a few guys who were having problems and it corrected it. It only happened when I was reloading or processing 223. Since I got a 1050, my 650s haven't seen a 223 case. With everyone else's success with this addition to the 650, I have to wonder if it may have been a tolerance stacking thing with my machine? When I'm loading other cartridges on the 650s, the clipped spring and grease on the underside of the shell plate bolt works fine for my needs. Same here. The bearing never worked right. Clipping the spring was the ticket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StealthyBlagga Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 Bearing worked great for me - I crank the bolt down all the way, than back out one "click". I haven't needed to mess with the bearing spring at all. Loading .223, 9mm and .40. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gacajun Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 Plus I didn't have the loaded ammunition ejection issues that I had with the bearing kit. YMMV That's because you didn't read the tips and tricks for the 650 thread closely enough. The top washer is not needed for the bearing kit to work it's magic. I made a very minor tweak of the ejector and it runs perfect. I had that skipping shell plate problem on my 650 and read this thread and the setup thread. I have cut one coil off the index ball spring and that helped some. I ordered and installed the bearing/washer kit with 2 washers, one on top and one on the bottom of the bearing. I loaded some .38sp match rounds and found that the ejector wire would either come off the shellplate bolt or would just raise up high enough to catch and not eject the rounds after they rotated out of the crimp die position. I can take off the top washer and that will lower the ejector wire some but is that enough so that the ejector wire would stay down low enough so that it would eject the rounds reliably? Or is there an additional minor tweak, as was mentioned in the quoted post above that is also necessary? If there is a tweak could you describe it. It got awfully frustrating trying to load 500 match rounds and have to constantly fight the ejector wire movement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 Run it without the top washer and just slightly bend the ejector wire so that it reaches the hole without having the urge to pop up. I.e. Bend it down I little in the middle and bend the leg out just a little. And I mean a LITTLE. It doesn't take much to get it to fit right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gacajun Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 Thanks Sarge....I'm going to try that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chillywig Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 anyone tried these? https://primercatchers.com/product/dillon-xl-650-ejector-wire-upgrade-fix-2/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 53 minutes ago, Chillywig said: anyone tried these? https://primercatchers.com/product/dillon-xl-650-ejector-wire-upgrade-fix-2/ Try searching for it. A few guys posted recently they are junk and break Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chillywig Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 I did search. Came up with this old post but figured someone knew the answer.... Thanks for the details! Guess the best solution is still to round off the shell plate exiting edge? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 45 minutes ago, Chillywig said: I did search. Came up with this old post but figured someone knew the answer.... Thanks for the details! Guess the best solution is still to round off the shell plate exiting edge? Case lube and keeping the ejector wire pressed in does it for me. Recently depriming some 9mm and did not lube. Every 5th round was hanging up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckS Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 9 hours ago, Chillywig said: I did search. Came up with this old post but figured someone knew the answer.... Thanks for the details! Guess the best solution is still to round off the shell plate exiting edge? No need to buy more stuff or grind on the shell plate. Just get a pair of pliers and some patience. Tweak the wire and test. You'll find the sweet spot. The picks below show the wire installed with the bearing mod and 2 views of the wire showing the bend. This has been working for over 10 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chillywig Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 Here's how I have mine bent. I usually only get about one or two sticky ejections per 100 but it would be great if the issue totally went away. I just tried rounding off the back edge of the shell holder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckS Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 9 minutes ago, Chillywig said: Here's how I have mine bent. I usually only get about one or two sticky ejections per 100 but it would be great if the issue totally went away. I just tried rounding off the back edge of the shell holder. I first tried that and got the same results as you. After moving the bend out, the wire stays in place and no hangups ejecting the finished round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chillywig Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 I have loaded a few thousand since modifying my shell plate and have had 0 rounds get stuck against the wire causing the shell plate to jump and throw powder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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