Flexmoney Posted May 25, 2001 Share Posted May 25, 2001 I am a little put off that I would have to pay more to shoot than somebody who has won a slot. I am the "new guy", a USPSA member for less than a year. They should be letting me shoot at a discount. That is what I call an economic disincentive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Leong Posted May 25, 2001 Share Posted May 25, 2001 Hmmm.. now THAT's the way to get new shooters interested... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38supPat Posted May 25, 2001 Share Posted May 25, 2001 I'll have to ask Mike V. that one but I know thet are trying to encourage more people to go out and shoot local and area matches and reward them by getting a slot, I suspect it is more that people who have won a slot get a discount, a reward for performance if you will. But a discount for Newbies is probably a good idea. Pat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Leong Posted May 25, 2001 Share Posted May 25, 2001 Thanks again Pat. I'm still sorta staggering while getting all this equipment (not the gun, the other stuff :-) and Quincy's awful far away... So, speaking as a competitor, if one were to go for a slot, which division is most likely to succeed? The most unpopular one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38supPat Posted May 25, 2001 Share Posted May 25, 2001 Lol..as I said the first time is for the experience...bring what you got and just enjoy the match...I guarantee you have a blast! Pat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDave Posted May 26, 2001 Share Posted May 26, 2001 "blast" - pun intended Pat? lmao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nik Habicht Posted May 26, 2001 Share Posted May 26, 2001 How would one go about going to the Limited Nationals next year if one wanted to go? Do the Nationals require any sort of equipment that a regular 5 stage IPSC does not require? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chriss Grube Posted May 26, 2001 Share Posted May 26, 2001 More ammo, More money and a top finish or in with the SC. It is just a bigger match with some faces you haven;t shot with before. If you can get the time off go and learn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted August 10, 2001 Author Share Posted August 10, 2001 Well, I was just notified that a slot has opened up for me (I have been on the waiting list). I think I am going to pass. I just don't think it is right for me to have to pay an extra $50. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Posted August 10, 2001 Share Posted August 10, 2001 Yeah, I didn't think too much of the extra $50 either. But, I wouldn't let it keep me away from the Nationals. I went to the Open Nat's last year and had a great time. It's a great place to learn & it's a lot of fun. Considering, the travel & lodging costs, an extra $50 isn't that much. Then again, I was lucky enough to have won an Open slot and was able to get a Limited slot through my Section Coordinator. I can understand choosing not to go because of principles. But, then again you'll pass up a good learning opportunity. Good luck on your decision! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErikW Posted August 10, 2001 Share Posted August 10, 2001 Flexmoney, you are not being asked to pay a premium, people who earned slots are receiving a discount. In fact, they probably ended up paying more for their slots because of the match fees, ammo costs, and travel expenses incurred earning those slots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted August 10, 2001 Author Share Posted August 10, 2001 Call it what you will. Any way you cut it...it is $50. And the people that I know that have "won" slots haven't shot or spent more money, time or energy than me. I am the new guy, the rank and file, the meat and potatoes... the heart of the sport. The powers that be might want to think about charging us a little less...we might show up and actually buy some stuff from the sponsors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted August 10, 2001 Share Posted August 10, 2001 Flexmoney, If you have a chance to go to the Nationals you should take it for the experience. It's like nothing you can shoot locally. I understand about the principle of it all, but you might not have another chance for a couple years. Bill Nesbitt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shooter Grrl Posted August 17, 2001 Share Posted August 17, 2001 I hate that this guy is whining about $50 and wants a new shooter discount - try having to pay for 2 OF EVERYTHING and then whine about a lousy $50, kay? What we want is a FAMILY discount. They discount for Junior shooters, but not for wives! What's up with that? For me and the DH to go the nationals and shoot both matches, the entrance fees alone are $1100!! Now having said all that - PAY THE EXTRA $50 AND SHOOT THE NATIONALS. There is no better learning experience! We went our first year in the sport are hooked for life because of the great experience we had at the Nationals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted August 17, 2001 Author Share Posted August 17, 2001 Just trying to voice a concern here. Without the lower level shooters there is no sport. Think about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Dunlop Posted August 17, 2001 Share Posted August 17, 2001 Hi Flex, sorry no offence, but I disagree with your statement that without lower level shooters there is no sport. We run matches every sunday, the enthusiasts that set up, run and score these matches are also the best shooters, striving to improve and leaving no stone unturned in their pursuit of excellence. As well as them,generally lower grade shooters also participate. They often don't complete the match, leaving at noon regardless and so contribute little or nothing intellectually or physically. We ran a National event two weeks ago, 12 stages, 240 rounds ,$65NZ , approx $26US including lunch. Many lower grade shooters, despite rubbing shoulders with our master grade shooters every week, didn't show. I have spent countless hours discussing the sport, coaching and advising on gear. It seem that most of that time was wasted. If you want something to complain about try adding an airfare from NZ to the entry fee, if not I'll catch you there. Regards P.D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonedaddy Posted August 18, 2001 Share Posted August 18, 2001 Peanut Butter. It makes great sandwiches. Good energy food. Big jar is about $4.00. Figure how many resturant meals it takes to make up for $50.00. (not many) and save that by eating PBJ's. This is my first Nationals too and I didn't get the dang discount either! Now, let's get out there and have some fun. GOT MILK? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singlestack Posted August 18, 2001 Share Posted August 18, 2001 Phil, I'm gonna take Flex's side on this one, no offence. I think what he ment is not the shooters you are refering to. I think (correct me if I'm wrong Flex) he is talking about the 90% of people who shoot every match they can, put it all out there every time with no chanch of being match winner. They also have no chanch of ever walking up to a prize table at a big match but shoot it because they love the sport. These are the people that the big matches would not happen without. How big would the prize table be if only the shooters who had a chanch to go there were involved? For that matter how big would your local match be if only the shooters who had a chanch of being match winner showed up? I would like to see USPSA adopt a "Trophy" only policy for the larger matches and have sponsers donate to the prize table. No prize table? So what. Reduce the costs and more people will be able to enjoy it. My wife and I both shoot and we wanted to go to the area 6 championship this year but it was just not in the budget. No family discount and a prize table made the match cost too much. I'm also the guy there on every setup day and and the guy there after the match helping take the match down. Without guys like me and you there is no sport and thats what I think Flex ment. At least thats what it ment to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted August 18, 2001 Author Share Posted August 18, 2001 O.K. It is not the $50...nor $1100. It is the principle. I'm not one to whine about $50. I will take up an arguement if I think it could possibly have merit. I'll often ask a question just for the fact that it hasn't been asked and the information needs to be discussed. (My post in the BEginner's section on squib loads and up-side-down primers come to mind.) FWIW. I took the slot many post ago. ------------------------- Phil, You said: I have spent countless hours discussing the sport, coaching and advising on gear. It seem that most of that time was wasted. Keep up the good work. I am sure it is appreciated more than you think. (I appreciate it from way over here.) From your other posts it sounds like you have pretty good local support and attendance. There will obviously be pockets of the population which will enjoy a greater concentration of shooters (Arizona comes directly to mind). When I said, "Without the lower level shooters there is no sport." What I was talking about was mostly financial. In the US we have 3,195 "C" shooters. If you combine "A" , "M" and "GM" shooters you would have about a third of just the "C" class. (LIMITED) Without the revenues that the lower classes generate their wouldn't be much of a National Organization, there would be very few local clubs, equipment manufacturers would dry up, etc. --------------- Special thanks goes out to Singlestack, Bonedaddy, Nik, Chriss L., BigDave...and all the dedicated "new guys" that are here, with me, trying to learn. You guys will be the future of the sport. --------------- Bonedaddy, I'll be the guy carrying around a yellow Bucket Boss and eating the PB&J...or maybe a peanutbutter, tuna & mustard sandwich. Wish we had those Team Ancient shirts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singlestack Posted August 18, 2001 Share Posted August 18, 2001 peanutbutter, tuna & mustard sandwich????????? EEEEEEEEEWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted August 18, 2001 Author Share Posted August 18, 2001 sounds bad...looks bad...taste pretty good. That is a holdover from my weight training days when I wanted to add some kind of flavor to plain old tuna (protein). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ankeny Posted August 18, 2001 Share Posted August 18, 2001 Flex: Youare right, the lower level shooters are what keeps this sport growing. I'll give you an example. Myself and some buddies got together and affiliated a new club. We are the Wind River Practical Shooters, IPSC 45. Of our 20 members, only 5 are USPSA classified and all of them are C class. Two of us are "breaking over" to B class. Having said that the lower level shooters are what keeps USPSA growing, I also believe the older and more experienced shooters (regardless of class) are pretty much the work horses and they just keep plodding along. Without their help, us new guys would pretty much be screwed. Hmmmm....looks like we all contribute something... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Dunlop Posted August 19, 2001 Share Posted August 19, 2001 I suppose I shouldn't generalise, but my point is that many take for granted how IPSC works, the organising, building, scoring etc, and in my experience many of these people don't get past the lower grades because they tend to lack commitment. Thats not to discourage anyone from trying IPSC, but without the organisers, which happen to be our better shooters, there would be no sport. Flex, on the matter of finance, you are absolutely correct. Here the sport is so small that there is no sponsorship and we operate on tiny budgets. There are rarely any prizes, though I would like to thank STI and their local dealer Alan McLean for the prize gun at this years Std. Nats, R/o's and administrators are unpaid and match fees are held to a minimum, yet still people moan! On the bright side I just had a brilliant mornings shooting, so I'm ready to talk to some tyre kickers again!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Thompson Posted August 20, 2001 Share Posted August 20, 2001 I shot the 2000 Lim Nationals and spent $400-. I "learned" that I should have just saved my money. Nice match, nice people;broke my bank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted August 20, 2001 Author Share Posted August 20, 2001 JT, Let me ask you this. Do you think that your money might have been better spent taking a class, where you would receive more personal attention? "The Burner" is just north of Detroit (driving distance for either of us). I don't know how good his class is. It is an option that I would consider next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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