Stlhead Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 All good points, but I think I would like to hear Travis's take on how he envisions the match stacking up, after all it is his party. Russell, if the top 10% from last years match where to enter the pro division would be mighty thin, my math has 2 in limited, 3 in open, 2 in heavy, 3 in trooper, and 1 in scope tac would make the 10% cut off. Not hardly worth throwing a match for 1 squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLG8R Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 Me Fecit Errol Lawson. What's the best way to get there if your flying? Meaning, what is the closest airport, etc. Gotta start planning now...the experiences of others is welcomed. Gotta travel from Florida, so driving is kinda out of the question. Thinking about traveling on Tuesday, getting home Sunday. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocMedic Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 Me Fecit Errol Lawson. What's the best way to get there if your flying? Meaning, what is the closest airport, etc. Gotta start planning now...the experiences of others is welcomed. Gotta travel from Florida, so driving is kinda out of the question. Thinking about traveling on Tuesday, getting home Sunday. Thanks. Boise Would be the closest Airport, I believe its a hour away from the range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbmd Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 (edited) Travis, Allow me to throw an idea at you......I would have no problem shooting Trooper twice, yea OK call me crazy. The first match I can pair up with someone shooting amatuer and asist with stage break down and ways to shoot, kinda like a team event. This would be a first for the trooper division but would be really cool. If you think about the true troopers they work in teams. I think it would also go a long way for our sport in helping ams in anyway we can. Russell jump in here if I am way off base here. Just thought it would be cool to do something different at a really cool match. Larry Edited October 19, 2011 by sbmd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinistralRifleman Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 (edited) I like the mentoring idea, if you have the time and money go for it. I don't see that violating the rules or spirit of trooper as long as you don't hand them stuff on the stage or assist after the clock goes off. I try to get one Ironman n00b to go along every year, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Getting them prepped for the match and seeing how they do is fun in its own right. If I had the time/money I'd shoot the amateur match in Tac-Limited or Heavy Scope since I'm not as good in either of those and Ironman is a lot more challenging without full Trooper gear. Edited October 19, 2011 by SinistralRifleman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLG8R Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 Me Fecit Errol Lawson. What's the best way to get there if your flying? Meaning, what is the closest airport, etc. Gotta start planning now...the experiences of others is welcomed. Gotta travel from Florida, so driving is kinda out of the question. Thinking about traveling on Tuesday, getting home Sunday. Thanks. Boise Would be the closest Airport, I believe its a hour away from the range. Thanks. I suppose those who fly, fly into Boise, then rent a car and drive to Parma? Is there camping on site? Or anyone know the name of the match hotel? Looks like flights run in the $400 range, from tampa. Thanks for the info... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.Hayden Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 Match Hotel is usually Rodeway Inn, in Ontario OR.. about $50 a night for 2. There usually is camping on site too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A well Earled machine Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 Well Done Travis - Well Done!!!! What a great idea. I'm proud of you! See Ya soon, Earl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgibson Posted October 19, 2011 Author Share Posted October 19, 2011 following posts....long day...need sleep....will reply manana....good thoughts all..keep them coming...that's what will make it a great match. Adios, TG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocMedic Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 ..keep them coming... Well in that case.., what were everyone's thoughts on all the "bonus" targets last year a Ironman? I found them to be more like penalty forgiveness points.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkCO Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 I think it is a dis-service, especially to new competitors, to call them bonus...they are required and should be called and scored as such...IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgibson Posted October 20, 2011 Author Share Posted October 20, 2011 OK...so basically, I'd love to take credit for this,but it wasn't my idea. This is exactly what they did at the Pro/Am in KY this year. I was asking a bunch of these same qeustions before that match, but in the end, it sort of took care of itself. Everyone that MIGHT have been a pro signed up for the pro match for fear of their buddies giving them the business of shooting in the Am match. I think all of the people that signed up for the Pro match were also looking at the prize table end of things. They didn't want to walk by random draw. From what I understand, the guy that won the Am match had only shot about three matches, so I don't think it could have worked much better. I'd like to think this will be the same way. Regarding Larry's post about having a pro with each am squad as a sort of a "perk" for the new guys is a great idea. I don't have all the details worked out yet, but I think I'd actually have one ST pro and one Open pro on each squad. That should cover just about every question that could be asked by a new shooter. The Pro's wouldn't shoot for score, they wouldn't walk the table, and they wouldn't be eligable for any trophies. I'm still spitballing this so I'd like to hear everyones thoughts. We'd also let everyone know what two pros would be on every squad and then the Am's could sign up with the Pros they wanted to shoot with. From there, I'll just have to find 20 pros who wanted to shoot the match twice. NOW....ALL OF THIS WILL BE CONTINGENT ON THE AM MATCH NOT FILLING UP. IF IT FILLS UP WE WON'T BE ABLE TO LET ANY PRO'S SHOOT IN THE MATCH. FIRE AWAY!!! Adios, TG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Anderson Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 Well, it's not EXACTLY the way they did it at Rockcastle. They ran both matches at the same time because they had the space and ability to do so. Parma definitely does not. But I actually like this way a lot better. Am's in first, finish up mid day Tuesday, Wed off to reset and give the RO's a bit of breathing room. Then onto the Pro's when the RO's are good and cranky. (Just kidding RO's, and if anyone is reading this is actually Hayden Hixson posting, little bugger got into my account) I like it. Travis, if the Am match fills, and I hope it does, what about doing some Pro Clinics on Tuesday or Wednesday? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinistralRifleman Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 Russell, if the top 10% from last years match where to enter the pro division would be mighty thin, my math has 2 in limited, 3 in open, 2 in heavy, 3 in trooper, and 1 in scope tac would make the 10% cut off. Not hardly worth throwing a match for 1 squad. I was more referencing that I don't think any top tier shooters would want to compete in the amateur match, not the over all attendance of the pro match. In talking to people that have shooting experience, but don't necessarily shoot 3 Gun, they all seem to want to shoot the pro match to test their skills against the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raysracer Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 Some pro clinics would be awesome. I would definitely go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgibson Posted October 25, 2011 Author Share Posted October 25, 2011 Some pro clinics would be awesome. I would definitely go Good to hear. Thanks for the feedback. We'll keep working on this to see what we can do. Thanks again. Adiso, TG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gose Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 I think it is a dis-service, especially to new competitors, to call them bonus...they are required and should be called and scored as such...IMHO. Or be smaller, and/or have lower bonus value Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgibson Posted October 27, 2011 Author Share Posted October 27, 2011 OK kids. After giving it some thought, I don't think we are going to be able to do the Pro/Am match. I think we are going to have to run it the same way we did last year. OLHOT on the first match, and ST on the second match. I'd love to be able to have a couple of pro's on every squad and help out the am shooters, but if I fill the matches, AND have a high round count, there just isn't any way we'll be able to fit it all in. This match is busy enough WITH everyone taping and setting steel and NOT talking and discussing stages. I'm just afraid it would turn into a big logjam. Sorry fellas. Adios, TG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLG8R Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 OK kids. After giving it some thought, I don't think we are going to be able to do the Pro/Am match. I think we are going to have to run it the same way we did last year. OLHOT on the first match, and ST on the second match. I'd love to be able to have a couple of pro's on every squad and help out the am shooters, but if I fill the matches, AND have a high round count, there just isn't any way we'll be able to fit it all in. This match is busy enough WITH everyone taping and setting steel and NOT talking and discussing stages. I'm just afraid it would turn into a big logjam. Sorry fellas. Adios, TG Help me out here a little, the dates are the same correct? "OLHT" stands for open, limited, heavy, and tac optic?, to be shot the first half of the week? "ST" stands for ? Trying to purchase plane tickets now, so don't want to screw that up.... Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.Hayden Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 OLHT.. my guess... Open, Limited, Heavy metal, Trooper ST = Scoped Tactical Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgibson Posted October 27, 2011 Author Share Posted October 27, 2011 You are both trackin'. OLHOT is Open, Limited, Heavy Optics, and Trooper. ST is scoped tactical. OLHOT will be the 3-5 of june. ST will be the 7-9 of june. Adios, TG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herk Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 Hey guys, the whole reason that I got on this forum was because I was interested in participating in the Ironman in 2012. I've done a few local 3-Gun matches over the years but no big matches. Where can I learn more about the Amateur and Pro classes that you guys are talking about? Thanks and I'll see you all in June! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgibson Posted October 27, 2011 Author Share Posted October 27, 2011 Hey guys, the whole reason that I got on this forum was because I was interested in participating in the Ironman in 2012. I've done a few local 3-Gun matches over the years but no big matches. Where can I learn more about the Amateur and Pro classes that you guys are talking about? Thanks and I'll see you all in June! The Pro/Am format is something that is based soley on how you walk the prize table and how much ribbing you can take from your buddies. As I mentioned in my earlier post, we aren't going to be able to pull it off at ironman this year. There is just too much shooting involved and not enough time. There are other circumstances playing on my decision, but I think everyone will still have a good time shooting it the "old fashioned" way. Basically, the difference between Pro and Am is the Am shooters walk the prize table by random draw. The Pro's walk it order of finish. There isn't any classification system that measures your skills and classifies you. Just like all the other matches in the nation, it is heads up shooting. Adios, TG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stlhead Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 Travis, I would like to give my full support (as if it was of any actual value )of your choice to run 2 matches in the similar format that you followed last year. I thought it allowed many more shooters to enjoy your match, and allows your R.O.'s to shoot in a real match, on a real squad. Also it would make it easier for me to convince West to come shoot with us if his schedule allows. I am sure that in the end your decision will prove to be a sound one, it certainly will help in getting your R.O.'s for the second match. Travis, I also would encourage you to shoot the match only in scope tac, I would like to move up a place in the limited standings! Remember, "Honey Badger just don't give a shit!". Bring on the winter loading season. Cheers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herk Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 Thanks for the clarification TG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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