1911vm Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 I am getting a mixed set of answers. I really want to get an 7.62 x 39 AR. I am being told that I would not be able to use steel case ammo only brass. Is that correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamma Slamma Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 Depends on the range rules. What about Hornady's new steel match ammo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiggerJJ Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 Steel CASE ammo is usually ok, steel PROJECTILE ammo is a different story. Alot of ranges ban it because of the fire hazard, and it can penetrate or severely crater steel targets. jj Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cas Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 I had a 7.62x39 AR. I had a number of problems with it, but steel cased ammo wasn't one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1911vm Posted August 11, 2011 Author Share Posted August 11, 2011 I was hoping to use the rifle for 3 gun just because it is cheaper to shoot. What kind of accuracy was common. Cas what kind of problems did you encounter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chills1994 Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 Make sure you can find mags: http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=128632&st=0&p=1450454&hl=russian&fromsearch=1entry1450454 I really like the american eagle brass cased ammo. So far finding steel cased ammo that runs has been a challenge. I haven't really tracked down what the problem is. If I was you, I would just buy twenty rounds of various steel cased fodder, shoot 'em all and see what runs. You don't want blow about $235 on a case of 1,000 rounds won't run, and then you're stuck with 990 rounds. I think some AK47's are bored for .311" . Whereas, I am thinking all your American made 7.62X39 AR's are .308" . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cas Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 My problems were years ago, things are a little better now, but... I couldn't get a magazine that would work worth a damn with more than 7 rounds in it. Most of the cheap ammo wouldn't work in the rifle because the AR springs weren't strong enough for the primers. Heavier springs are fairly easy to get now, but at the time not so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickster Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 My Colt 7.62x39 CAR-15 has been a dandy hog hunter, is fun to shoot and with the .3095 bore, around 1moa accurate with good ammo. C-Products makes 20 and 30 rounders. Load the 30's with 28 and they function just fine. At one time the defunct USA Mags welded an AR top to an AK bottom to make some reliable high cap 20 and 30 round mags and these can still be found at gun shows occasionally. For 3-gun, it would be fun, and a couple steps above using an AK-47, but would not be competitive with a similarly outfitted .556. If you want it, get it, and then have some fun with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StealthyBlagga Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 The only reason I can see for running a 7.62x39 in 3-gun matches would be if you could make the power factor for major/heavy metal. Ammo (other than crappy steel case) is at least as expensive as .223. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.E. Kelley Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 The only reason I can see for running a 7.62x39 in 3-gun matches would be if you could make the power factor for major/heavy metal. Ammo (other than crappy steel case) is at least as expensive as .223. Close but no cigar. Most every match (OK every Major match) says 308 Winchester / 7.62 x 51 for Heavy Metal. 7.62 x 39 can make Major PF but HM no. Patrick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sawyer Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 I purchased a Model 1 upper. 2,500 plus rounds through it. Replaced the extractor at 2,000 rounds just because. All steel case ammo. I do like my 5.56s better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chills1994 Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 Close but no cigar. Cproducts is no more. See my link above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickster Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 LCJ Wholesale says they have 60 C-Products 30 rounders in stock. There are a few others that have some also. Just search around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1911vm Posted August 12, 2011 Author Share Posted August 12, 2011 ,from what I understand . there are some c product that work , and some dont . 2 different runs I think . how do I know which 1 is which ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StealthyBlagga Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 (edited) The only reason I can see for running a 7.62x39 in 3-gun matches would be if you could make the power factor for major/heavy metal. Ammo (other than crappy steel case) is at least as expensive as .223. Close but no cigar. Most every match (OK every Major match) says 308 Winchester / 7.62 x 51 for Heavy Metal. 7.62 x 39 can make Major PF but HM no. Patrick Close but no cigar. SMM3G sets the power floor for HM at 320PF. The requirement to shoot 7.62x51 was deleted in 2010... we wanted to do something to increase participation in the HM divisions (though I'm not sure yet if this rule change did much either way). Where we lead, others follow Edited August 12, 2011 by StealthyBlagga Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1911vm Posted August 14, 2011 Author Share Posted August 14, 2011 Close but no cigar. SMM3G sets the power floor for HM at 320PF. The requirement to shoot 7.62x51 was deleted in 2010... we wanted to do something to increase participation in the HM divisions (though I'm not sure yet if this rule change did much either way). Where we lead, others follow I have never shot a 3gun in any category but HM ( I will try the game one day) and if Arizona was bit closer drive to Connecticut you would half 3-4 more HM shooters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aheadofthecurve Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 A good way to do this is to get a MGI Modular lower and bolt....then you can run ak mags. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.E. Kelley Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 The only reason I can see for running a 7.62x39 in 3-gun matches would be if you could make the power factor for major/heavy metal. Ammo (other than crappy steel case) is at least as expensive as .223. Close but no cigar. Most every match (OK every Major match) says 308 Winchester / 7.62 x 51 for Heavy Metal. 7.62 x 39 can make Major PF but HM no. Patrick Close but no cigar. SMM3G sets the power floor for HM at 320PF. The requirement to shoot 7.62x51 was deleted in 2010... we wanted to do something to increase participation in the HM divisions (though I'm not sure yet if this rule change did much either way). Where we lead, others follow I stand corrected. Has anyone been chronoed??? I believe that was one of the reasons that 308/7.62x51 was established as a minimum. Aside from handloads most factory ammo easily makes major. Oh well. Patrick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Sierpina Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 The only reason I can see for running a 7.62x39 in 3-gun matches would be if you could make the power factor for major/heavy metal. Ammo (other than crappy steel case) is at least as expensive as .223. Close but no cigar. Most every match (OK every Major match) says 308 Winchester / 7.62 x 51 for Heavy Metal. 7.62 x 39 can make Major PF but HM no. Patrick Close but no cigar. SMM3G sets the power floor for HM at 320PF. The requirement to shoot 7.62x51 was deleted in 2010... we wanted to do something to increase participation in the HM divisions (though I'm not sure yet if this rule change did much either way). Where we lead, others follow I stand corrected. Has anyone been chronoed??? I believe that was one of the reasons that 308/7.62x51 was established as a minimum. Aside from handloads most factory ammo easily makes major. Oh well. Patrick Go ahead Pat, say it. The wussification of Heavy Metal/He Man. That's what you're really thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1911vm Posted August 15, 2011 Author Share Posted August 15, 2011 A good way to do this is to get a MGI Modular lower and bolt....then you can run ak mags. I have actually been looking at m g I .,what kind of experience do you have with this platform ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan 45 Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 The only reason I can see for running a 7.62x39 in 3-gun matches would be if you could make the power factor for major/heavy metal. Ammo (other than crappy steel case) is at least as expensive as .223. Close but no cigar. Most every match (OK every Major match) says 308 Winchester / 7.62 x 51 for Heavy Metal. 7.62 x 39 can make Major PF but HM no. Patrick Close but no cigar. SMM3G sets the power floor for HM at 320PF. The requirement to shoot 7.62x51 was deleted in 2010... we wanted to do something to increase participation in the HM divisions (though I'm not sure yet if this rule change did much either way). Where we lead, others follow I stand corrected. Has anyone been chronoed??? I believe that was one of the reasons that 308/7.62x51 was established as a minimum. Aside from handloads most factory ammo easily makes major. Oh well. Patrick Go ahead Pat, say it. The wussification of Heavy Metal/He Man. That's what you're really thinking. Dan, this is actually "Metrosexual metal", not heavy metal/he man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffWard Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 We need a: 500 S&W Magnum (5 rounds), 50 BMG Bolt Gun (10 rounds), 10-Gauge Double Barrel (2 shells) Division... Call it the "Heavy-Masochist Division". For the real men, with real money!!! JeffWard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Sierpina Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 [Dan, this is actually "Metrosexual metal", not heavy metal/he man. I should have expected a reply like that from you. After all, you shoot one of the remaining "Battle Rifles" along with Pat, when he shoots big bullets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Egan Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 I have one i built up from a colt upper and an AR-47 lower, takes ak mags. Elite iron can on the front, and my own handloads make it a really fun rifle. AR-47 link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan 45 Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 [Dan, this is actually "Metrosexual metal", not heavy metal/he man. I should have expected a reply like that from you. After all, you shoot one of the remaining "Battle Rifles" along with Pat, when he shoots big bullets. I should have put one of these at the end: Because I was smiling when I said it- even though it's true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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